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  •  hamas can enforce a truce if it so chooses nt (0+ / 0-)
    •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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      capelza, unspeakable

      I have certainly never said that.  Hamas can call one, and has some ability to restrain other groups, but it certainly can't reduce combat to zero if another group such as IJ (or even a small cell of radicals) choose to launch a mortar or two.  Israel's attacks on Gaza police forces also tend to reduce its ability to fully police Gaza.

      •  israel doesn't tend to attack gaza police (0+ / 0-)

        unless they're going for the whole hog, like in december.  when those same police are the ones launching the rockets to the tune of 50 a night or whatever, no real reason not to at that point.

        anyways, what happened to you, you used to be so reasonable.  are you denying that hamas successfully slowed rocket fire down to damn-near nothing when they were enforcing a truce, then flipped on a switch to 50-60 a night when they decided to end it?

        what's your larger point, here?  mine is that an agreement with hamas, should they actually be willing to come to the table, could be productive.

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          capelza, unspeakable

          You agree with me apparently, that Hamas can reduce but not completely halt combat by other groups.  As for my larger point, I've always been in favor of a untiy agreement between Fatah and Hamas, I'm just curious what standards/prerequisites you are setting for a peace agreement.  It's not an unreasonable question to ask.

          •  credible guarantee, like i said (1+ / 0-)
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            a couple punks shouldn't derail a peace movement although there needs to be a good faith effort to stop them, not a wink and nod.

            now all we need is for hamas to say they'd be willing to do that and to cooperate in a unity government.  i mean, their assholery so far has succeeded in putting netanyahu in the PM chair after getting gaza levelled.  past is the past and all that, but i'd like to see a little reason from them going forward.  what on earth do they want?

            •  Can be determined (2+ / 0-)
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              capelza, callmecassandra

              what on earth do they want?

              That can be easily determined.  They've said a number of things (as have all sides), including that they want a Palestinian state on the 1967 borders.  If that offer is made, along with moving the settlers out of Palestine, then it will quickly become inescapably clear what they want.  They'll either accept the offer, or else they are fighting for control of both Israel and Palestine.  

              As long as they aren't invited to the negotiations but are left simply making public statements, no one will really know what they want: what they are willing to offer, to accept, and/or to compromise on.  

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