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  •  oh, but the anti-vaccinationists won't have that (1+ / 0-)
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    To them it's a choice between either autism (which wasn't caused by the vaccines), or MMR (which are prevented by vaccines).

    What a load of bunk.

    •  You really need to put this off topic (1+ / 0-)
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      discussion about your feelings on vaccinations in an open thread or do another diary on it.

      Republicans are like alligators. All mouth and no ears.

      by Ohiodem1 on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 04:49:27 PM PDT

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    •  Except that's not what the article on Huffpo says (4+ / 0-)
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      We have never argued that people shouldn't be immunized for the most serious threats including measles and polio, but surely there's a limit as to how many viruses and toxins can be introduced into the body of a small child. Veterinarians found out years ago that in many cases they were over-immunizing our pets, a syndrome they call Vaccinosis. It overwhelmed the immune system of the animals, causing myriad physical and neurological disorders. Sound familiar? If you can over-immunize a dog, is it so far out to assume that you can over-immunize a child? These forward thinking vets also decided to remove thimerosal from animal vaccines in 1992, and yet this substance, which is 49% mercury, is still in human vaccines. Don't our children deserve as much consideration as our pets?

      Also from the article:

      With vaccines being the fastest growing division of the pharmaceutical industry, isn't it possible that profits may play a part in the decision-making? That the vaccine program is becoming more of a profit engine than a means of prevention? In a world left reeling from the catastrophic effects of greed, mismanagement and corporate insensitivity, is it so absurd for us to wonder why American children are being given twice as many vaccines on average, compared to the top 30 first world countries?


      I read the entire article. I think he came off sounding reasonable, but that may be in part because I don't trust pharmaceutical companies to necessarily have our best interests at heart. They are in business to sell drugs. So I think the questions about if American kids really need 36 different vaccinations, including some that are given to one and two day old babies, really makes sense. I think the article is reasonably well argued, at least. Those who want to rebut it should do the same.  

      •  you should read my diary (3+ / 0-)
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        which does rebut Carrey's points.  The ones you've highlighted, in fact.

        I work for the pharmaceutical industry, as a researcher.  Not all of us are heartless profiteers.  I am interested only in getting the best evidence for my industry's drugs and treatments, and if the evidence shows that a drug doesn't work or is harmful, then the industry should report as such.  I could care less about profits.

        And yes, American kids DO need vaccinations against extremely dangerous infectious diseases.  I will not listen to anti-vaccine tripe that suggests vaccines cause autism because a) the best available evidence says that's bullshit, and b) the lack of vaccinations have been proven to cause widespread transmission of those infectious diseases.

        •  Ha, no better than a diary about the (3+ / 0-)
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          wonders of Roundup by a Monsanto lobbyist.  You should have put this disclaimer in your diary.  You purposely misread Carrey's essay and made claims he does not make.  He and McCarthy have said they are not opposed to or recommending no one vaccinate.  They are saying that important research questions are being ignored for the sake of ever increasing profits.  A stand I agree with.  Hepatitis B in newborns with Hep B negative mothers is stupid.  Babies are four times more likely to have serious adverse reactions than to get Hep B around the time of birth.  But no one dare ask why we are giving a shot to every single newborn for an STD and if its a good idea.  I would rather not give Hep B to newborn babies and I would rather my kids get (as half of them now have) chicken pox than have the half assed vaccine that gives up working just as chicken pox gets more dangerous in the teen/young adult/first pregnancy for women years.  We have moved way past vaxing for life threatening disease like polio and diphtheria, pertussis, tentanus I received in the 70s and are trying to vax away the inconvenience of every disease out there.  There are 100 vaccines in the pipeline right now and no one studying whether or not vaccines can interact with each other or if there is a number at which the body can no longer cope with assimilating all of them without causing other unforeseen effects or if its even a good idea to try to prevent all disease, which has good effects on strengthening immune systems as well.  If your diary had been half as calm and half as rationally stated I might have given it more attention, but you purposely skewed Carrey's points from the get go so I quit reading halfway through.  You may have the right to pimp a pissy diary here, but that doesn't mean its worth visiting.

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