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  •  I hope this revelation (7+ / 0-)

    links the two forever as it ought to.

    "I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law" -Obama

    by heart of a quince on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 07:42:33 AM PDT

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    •  But so far, putting them together has killed the (4+ / 0-)
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      lying us into WAR topic entirely.  They are separate crimes and IMO on separate levels of wrong - a million people are dead and generations have been destroyed, millions more are suffering.

      If the torture issue can lead us down the road to the lying the USA into WAR issue than full steam ahead.   So far that hasn't been the case and the torture issue is being used as a crutch to ignore the other one, and I am afraid that equating the two will continue to perpetuate this.

      •  I agree both that the torture issue (0+ / 0-)

        has overshadowed the lying-into-war issue and that the latter is more important.  But no one has really tried to put them together yet, if only because we didn't know about this newly revealed connection.  I think there's hope we can combine them in the public imagination.  If we can do that, I think there's hope we can discredit these people for a long, long time to come.  

        •  The connection here is very important (0+ / 0-)

          Crime is not just crime.  There are degrees of guilt, and motive matters enormously.

          If the torture can be defended as pursued in order to protect the country, the guilt is mitigated--and that's just how the country will see it--those that aren't outright in favor of torture for that end.

          But if the torture is shown to have been pursued for cynical propaganda, that's far more heinous, and impossible to spin.

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