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  •  It's clear -- (1+ / 0-)
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    TomP

    It's one of the simplest pieces of the constitution. If a court were to try to twist that one out of shape, we might as well dump the entire text as worthless.

    The tradition comes right out of parliamentary tradition for exactly these kind of cases -- where parliamentarians were accused of sedition, treason, etc for refusing to kowtow to the king.

    Re moral quandary: seriously, you can claim a moral quandary between "promising to keep a secret" and "disclosing a crime against humanity". I'd laugh if it wasn't such a serious issue.

    •  I understand that. (1+ / 0-)
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      jct

      You assume that she would do it on the floor.  But even there, an argument can be constructed.  Revealing classified information is not what the provision was about, and it's reference to treason suggests this also.

      I tend to agree with you, but there always are arguments.

      In any event, Pelosi swore not to reveal classified information when she was read into various programs.   It is not an easy question.

      The enemy is Bush and Cheny, not Pelosi.  But let's see what comes out.  

      "What we've seen the last few days is nothing less than the final verdict on an economic philosophy that has completely failed." -- Barack Obama

      by TomP on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 10:35:59 AM PDT

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      •  It's exactly what that provision is about. (0+ / 0-)

        A speech on the floor could not possibly be treason or a breach of the peace, and it's pretty damn clear, from the historical record, what that bit is all about -- keeping the executive branch from interfering in any way from the working of the legislative branch by censoring them in session. It's clear that "appropriate" speech is purely defined by the House or Senate while they are in session, and the only punishment for speech is purely expulsion.

        Remember, that phrase was put in when the Constitution had no 1st amendment -- it was the only guarantee of free speech in the document. Any secrecy required could be instituted by Congress itself by going into closed session.

        The enemy is Bush and Cheney -- but Pelosi can't sit on the fence. If this is a minor issue to her that can be played for political advantage, then she is also the enemy.

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