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  •  Note that he uses the word "we" (9+ / 0-)

    We tortured people unmercifully.  We probably murdered dozens of them during a course of that, both by the armed forces and CIA.   [Releasing the memos] was the right thing to do.

    That means he is accepting responsibility as an American and I don't think I've seen many people doing that lately. It's courageous of him.

    This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

    by Agathena on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 05:56:47 PM PDT

    •  McCaffery is the sort that would love (2+ / 0-)
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      to torture people.

      I am sure he has no trouble admitting that some people paid for by my tax dollars torture people for the hell of it.

      Torture good, Marijuana bad.
      Doc in the Twitterverse

      by xxdr zombiexx on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 05:58:54 PM PDT

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      •  How do you know that? (0+ / 0-)

        "McCaffery is the sort that would love to torture people"

        He is a retired General who is coming out against torture as far as the dairy goes. If you have some information to the contrary, please supply a link to the source.

        This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

        by Agathena on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 04:33:44 PM PDT

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        •  Now I can see why you wrote that (0+ / 0-)

          New Yorker article
          According to an article written by Seymour Hersh published in 2000 The New Yorker, General McCaffrey committed war crimes during the Gulf War by having troops under his command kill retreating Iraqis after a ceasefire had been declared. Hersh's article "quotes senior officers decrying the lack of discipline and proportionality in the McCaffrey-ordered attack." One colonel told Hersh that it "made no sense for a defeated army to invite their own death. ... It came across as shooting fish in a barrel. Everyone was incredulous."[1]
          These charges had been made by Army personnel after the war and an Army investigation had cleared McCaffrey of any wrongdoing. Hersh dismissed the findings of the investigation, writing that "few soldiers report crimes, because they don't want to jeopardize their Army careers."
          Hersh describes his interview with Private First Class Charles Sheehan-Miles, who later published a novel about his experience in the Gulf:
          When I asked Sheehan-Miles why he fired, he replied, "At that point, we were shooting everything. Guys in the company told me later that some were civilians. It wasn't like they came at us with a gun. It was that they were there -- 'in the wrong place at the wrong time.'" Although Sheehan-Miles is unsure whether he and his fellow-tankers were ever actually fired upon during the war, he is sure that there was no significant enemy fire. "We took some incoming once, but it was friendly fire," he said. "The folks we fought never had a chance." He came away from Iraq convinced that he and his fellow-soldiers were, as another tanker put it, part of "the biggest firing squad in history."
          [edit]McCaffrey's and Powell's rebuttals to allegations of misconduct
          McCaffrey denied the charges that on three occasions, General McCaffrey or his men of the 24th infantry division either fired on enemy soldiers who had surrendered in an "unprovoked attack", or "went too far" in responding to a non-existent threat. He attacked what he called Hersh's "revisionist history" of the Gulf War. BBC reported that "General McCaffrey said an army investigation had previously cleared him of any blame and he accused the New Yorker of maligning young soldiers.... White House spokesman Joe Lockhart said President Bill Clinton felt the charges were unsubstantiated."[4]
          According to Georgie Anne Geyer of the Chicago Tribune from May 2000, Hersh’s accusations were disputed by a number of military personnel, who later claimed to have been misquoted by the journalist. She argues that this may have been Hersh’s misguided attempt to break another My Lai story, and that he "could not possibly like a man such as McCaffrey, who is so temperamentally and philosophically different from him…” Finally, she suggests that Hersh may also have been motivated to attack the general for McCaffrey’s role as the drug czar.[2]
          Lt. Gen. Steven Arnold, interviewed by Hersh for the controversial article, was one of the officers who later claimed to have been misquoted. He wrote the editor of The New Yorker saying "I know that my brief comments in the article were not depicted in an entirely accurate manner and were taken out of context…. When the Iraqi forces fired on elements of the 24th Infantry Division, they were clearly committing a hostile act. I regret having granted an interview with Mr. Hersh. The tone and thrust of the article places me in a position of not trusting or respecting General Barry McCaffrey, and nothing could be further from the truth."[3]
          Similar criticism came from Gen. Colin Powell, former Secretary of State and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during the Iraq War, who described the Hersh article as "attempted character assassination on General McCaffrey," in an interview with Sam Donaldson for the TV show This Week, in May 2000.
          [edit]ABC investigation of misconduct allegations
          ABC News followed up on Hersh's report in June 2000, interviewing six soldiers from the platoon of scouts under the command of Gen. McCaffrey. All six confirmed Hersh's report, telling ABC News that they witnessed the attack. Two of the scouts, Edward Walker and David Collatt, claim to have witnessed the attack from 200 yards (180 m) away.

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          This above all: to thine own self be true...-WS

          by Agathena on Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 04:44:36 PM PDT

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