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  •  Nah, the way I see it (3+ / 0-)
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    MKSinSA, tammanycall, terabthia2

    it's more like the evergreen Beleaguered Christian argument -- you know, how you can't define all christians by the most fundie, anti-science, anti-church/state separation sort?

    The problem is that the offensive, intrusive fundie Christians are the only vocal christians that many outsiders see. So they assume that that's what christianity is, in its purest (least watered down) form.

    As with this Texas thing. I assume it's true that there are (activist) progressives throughout Texas -- it may even be true that they're a substantial proportion of the population-- but pretty much all that outsiders ever see of Texas are the bigots/idiots. There may be some vague historical memories of something else, but that's both vague and history.

    You won't convince people that what they see isn't there -- that the bigots/idiots/whatever don't have a certain amount of power (and cultural currency, it's assumed). You might be able to convince people that what they see isn't the entire truth. Depends on your evidence and their openmindedness.

    •  My point . . . (4+ / 0-)

      . . . is not to convince people that there aren't bigoted morons in Texas, or even that their governor, and that large sectors of their far-right lunatic fringe aren't bigoted morons.

      The point is this:  we don't allow the bigoted morons among us to define the USofA, even when one of them was President!

      Why would we allow the bigoted morons to define Texas?!?

      •  Right, but from the outside, (1+ / 0-)
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        MKSinSA

        no-one can see how they aren't the definitive force in Texan culture (and politics). Which is a pretty strong force affecting the rest of the country.

        Some of the 'let 'em secede' stuff I've seen has gone too far, sure, but I haven't seen anything that's really serious. More ridicule, mostly.

        I wonder if what's really got the claws in this discussion is the sense that people in other parts of the country, considering the value of Texas (and Texans, and Texan culture), feel that it's a net negative. "Don't let the door hit you on the way out" is intended to hurt (or bring someone down a peg, anyway).

        I just wanted to counter the 'they're just haters' statement, though. 'They' may be haters, but it's more likely based on one-sided facts and mis-apprehensions than on lies. I'm pretty much a spectator for this particular flamewar (I'm a new yorker -- used to being hated on myself -- and the only experience of Texas I've got is that the heat made my mother sick while we were in the army there, when I was an infant. She liked it much better when she went back for a visit, no longer chained to the army base and possessing of ample air conditioning). That's really not a useful position to take if the goal is to resolve, well, anything.

    •  Good point (2+ / 0-)
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      TiaRachel, MKSinSA

      And consider the sad condition of any liberal Christian Texans, under your hypothesis.

      "People who have what they want are fond of telling people who haven't what they want that they really don't want it." Ogden Nash (on universal health care?)

      by Catte Nappe on Wed Apr 22, 2009 at 06:50:39 PM PDT

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