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  •  Good timeline, but (1+ / 0-)
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    You miss the crucial first approach by DoD to JPRA/SERE in Dec. 2001, per the SASC report. Richard Shiffrin, on behalf of DoD and William Haynes, approaches JPRA for help in formulating an "exploitation" program for "detainees". JPRA responds with a long memorandum, and an offer to help, including provision of SERE personnel.

    This date is crucial as it provides evidence of intent to set up the torture program using SERE techniques months before any of the legal memos regarding interrogation.

    For more, see this diary.

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    by Valtin on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 11:04:58 AM PDT

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    •  At first I thought you were referring to (2+ / 0-)
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      the JPRA memo of Jul 02 which warns against using SERE techniques in interrogation. That one only surfaced today (and I did include it in a diary update), and hints at a Dec 01 memo which had made a similar warning.

      Then I took a look at your diary and realized you meant a different memo. And that raises in my mind a troubling question: Why did JPRA agree to provide SERE training, and then warn against using it?

      I'm going to have to sleep on that one. Thoughts welcome.

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      by DanK Is Back on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 07:13:43 PM PDT

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      •  Yes (1+ / 0-)
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        Why did JPRA agree to provide SERE training, and then warn against using it?

        More here than meets the eye. Also, why was JPRA pushing its services for Gitmo interrogations after the July 2002 memo, that is, in September 2002?

        See from a diary I wrote only a few weeks back. The material discussed takes place two months after the supposed torture warning:

        The theme of JPRA promoting SERE expertise surfaces in Iraq a little less than two years after the first DoD approach. A September 9, 2003 email from Col. Randy Moulton, Commander of JPRA to Col. Mike Okita and a redacted addressee (could this be Maj. Gen. Geoffrey Miller, who, coming from his command in Guantanamo, on September 9 was just concluding his evaluation of interrogation procedures in Iraq) again makes the same point about JPRA "expertise".

        There is a strong synergy between the fundamentals of both missions (resistance training and interrogation). Both rely heavily on environmental conditions, captivity psychology, and situation dominance and control. While I think this probably lies within DHS responsibility lines, recent history (to include discussions with DHS, USSOCOM, CIA) shows that no DoD entity has a firm grasp on any comprehensive approach to strategic debriefing/interrogation. Our subject matter experts (and certain Service SERE psychologist) have the most knowledge and depth within DoD on the captivity environment and exploitation.

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        by Valtin on Fri Apr 24, 2009 at 11:22:20 PM PDT

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