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  •  There is quite the difference (none)
    between opposing viewpoints, and ripping others to shreds because you disagree. This hasn't been healthy conflict lately. You said the freedom to attack each other with words is "what keeps us from coming to blows with each other." Uhhhh, you all ARE coming to blows with each other.

    Mine isn't a threat of non-partisanship, I guess for my last several posts it's been more of a 'convince me I'm wrong statement', but all I see on these blogs anymore is something similar to the Keystone Cops, only with blood. Everyone going off in different tangents, in different directions. In most of these blogs lately I don't see any good coming out of it either. Instead I see a weak party trying to take itself down for the count. As I said earlier, I think this is hurting America since America needs a party, one that is strong, knows what it stands for, and is willing to fight for it. Sorry, but I just don't see that here. I have tried, honestly I have tried. I WANT to belong, and help, and be a part of something to fight what is happening to our country. I just don't see this being what America needs.

    So....   Convince me I'm wrong.

    •  Impatient (none)
      True,we don't march in locked bootstep, and there are squabbles.I think we are impatient to have the election / black box issue resolved.We want some real info

      In the mean time get out the word on all the other voting problems.

    •  us and them (3.25)
      I've seen a lot of posts expressing frustration with the Republicans' allegedly superior unity, their superior organizational ability. Many seem to ask why we can't be more like them. The answer lies mainly in the difference in core beliefs between the two groups.  

      The Republicans' core value is belonging to a group, whereas Democrats (and liberals of all stripes, really) value individualism first. This quality ensures that unity is both more difficult and more meaningful for us to achieve.  We are working to find common ground, but blind obedience to the party line is exactly what we're not about. That's just what makes our consensus stronger and more powerful, when it does come.

      •  I'm not asking that us be them (none)
        If that makes any sense. If that's what I wanted, I'd be in that group. As a group however, you do need to be a bit more united, and a bit more tolerant of each other's viewpoints. And a lot more tolerant of the fact if something is important to some of the people in your group, really important, such has knowing that this is a fair electoral process, then you need to let them persue it however they persue it.

        As a group you all are so afraid to be brave. Being brave doesn't always mean that you are going to be politically correct, or that you are going to go after something be it truth, or knowledge, or whatever the quest, and you're going to make mistakes, but in your heart you feel like you are doing what you HAVE to do. How can that ever be wrong? Didn't the whole thing with Bush work for him because even if most didn't agree with him, they knew he believed in something? (Lord knows what that is beyond money, I know)

        With all this self-interest quibbling and bickering you all are forgetting to be one. Live and let live has always been one of my mottos. I'm not meaning to pick on you guys, I just felt a need to express what I see as I am trying to find what it is that I can fit into to help take back our country. I'm 47 years old, and I have never felt like this, or felt so strongly a need to pitch in and help like I have since this election (starting with the campaign), and I don't really want to let that go. I just honestly don't think that much can be accomplished with what I have been seeing in here.

        I guess I'm trying to get you guys to see what you are doing, and to realize that there are probably a bunch more people like me that you are going to turn away from the party with all of this junk. There is a lot of things I need to be doing in my life besides being in here reading the blogs, but I keep finding myself back here. Lately it has been a lot easier to get back to what I need to be doing though. And it's kinda sad.

      •  This is totally backwards (none)
        Democrats believe in a strong society, a collectivism of shared sacrifice so that all may be well or better.  Inclusion.

        Republicans are the individualists.  The "ownership society."

        •  Then whence all the internecine bickering (none)
          on the left?

          The Rambling Rover: Politics, society, travel, oh my

          by jonathanjo on Thu Nov 11, 2004 at 07:36:38 AM PST

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        •  In practice (none)
          Yeah, but 'inclusion' means that we work to protect everyone's personal freedoms--the right of gays to live together and to marry, a woman's right to choose. We don't want to interfere in people's lives. We want everyone to enjoy the right to live (and think) freely.

          The vast majority of Bush voters are the poorest among us, not 'ownership society' guys. They were persuaded using marketing techniques designed to make them feel included in an elite--a moral elite, in this case. As the price of this 'inclusion', poor Republicans give up any vestige of rational thought, any inclination to question, and just obey the leader.

          It's way harder, and correspondingly more rewarding and valuable for those who think for themselves--who are not naturally obedient--to form a consensus and act on it.

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