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  •  however, SARS was a nosocomial infection (5+ / 0-)

    you got it from hospitalized patients, and health care workers were at most risk.

    Flu is a community acquired infection. You get it from your neighbors and family.

    Prevention means starting EARLY. You can't emphasize this enough. By the time you convince the skeptics, it's too late to initiate prevention.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 08:28:40 AM PDT

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    •  Where is the line between prevention & panic? (3+ / 0-)

      Serious question.

      Read some of the comments on this thread. Some of the people here are already convinced that they got it and others are talking of hoarding food. I don't want to come off as a sceptic but we know what happens when these things get over hyped.

      Did the fear & precautions generated from past scares put an end to the spread of those cases? It very well may have, I don't know.

      Does the WHO organization take public alarm & economic impact into consideration when issuing a recommendation?

      I'm not trying to be smug. I'm curious and I am aware of the consequences if this turns out to be the big one.

      •  And the lynching that will take place (3+ / 0-)

        if public officials know what might happen and don't tell anyone? Seriously.

        Individuals & Families Planning

        http://www.pandemicflu.gov/...

        Explore the above web site. And then come back and let's talk.

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 08:53:58 AM PDT

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      •  Just look at the ridiculous diaries and comments (2+ / 0-)

        that were here about bird flu. Predictions and commentary with little common sense were the norm spurred on by a basic human need to fear and by those who liked the attention it brings them of being thought of as an expert by fanning that fear, but if you try to be rational you're met with the usual cliches - "better safe than sorry", "plan for the worst, hope for the best", or "it's not a matter of 'if' but 'when'" ...

        There is a particular Daily Kos type of personality, the same type that love economic doom scenarios or the diaries that were always predicting an ever-changing date of an imminent U.S. attack on Iran, that loves this stuff.

        Here's my PSA: wash your hands often, eat healthy, stop watching so much TV, go outside and get some exercise.

        •  Darwin award winner (0+ / 0-)

          don't you get that all that prep was important for understanding and dealing with what's happening now?

          oh, teh Stupid! It burns!!

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 09:23:27 AM PDT

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          •  DemFromCT we are on your side here (2+ / 0-)
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            but HairOnFire is correct.

            You are an expert in this field and I appreciate your valuable input. Sadly, your wake up calls do get diluted when other people are screaming at the top of their lungs about the hazards of eating Peanut Butter, Spinach, traveling to Aruba, going on Craig's List, etc. The people that live in a constant state of fear are the true Darwin Award winners.

            I think that, as the skeptics we are, are just trying to put this into perspective and get a real sense of what we are dealing with here. Skeptical does not mean dismissive. You are the expert, we are not. We've all been through this drill before, and I pray that it is a drill this time also. No one is discounting the import of this topic or its implications. It is just that we are constantly bombarded by end of the world scenarios and a critical approach helps us grasp the severity of the situation.

            Thanks again.

        •  to put another way (5+ / 0-)

          putting public health infrastructure in place to deal with H5N1, which still might come, helps us deal with this. It's the H5N1 surveillance program that picked up this bug. Public health infrastructure is fungible.

          All the local drills and state drills and federal drills to deal with H5N1 will now be applied here.

          it's as if we were preparing for a cat 5 hurricane and got hit with a cat 3. People like you complain. The rest of us sigh in relief.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 09:26:22 AM PDT

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        •  I only read Plutonium Page's diaries (2+ / 0-)
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          on the subject, and they were excellent.

          I think what made me so worried then is that Bush folks were so very unprepared for any kind of disaster. It added to the general feeling of unease.

          But bird flu was more of a "what if" that this is. This new swine flu is potentially bad, but I think it's being taken seriously enough to be nipped in the bud.

          OTOH, it mmust be scary as shit to live in Mex City right now.

          My loving marriage of 17 years is now a symbol of inequality and discrimination.

          by coigue on Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 09:58:30 AM PDT

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