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  •  "Buffy" actually was kind of ground-breaking. (8+ / 0-)

    I don't think there was a successful teen show like that which explored feminist themes before "Buffy," was there?

    Obviously, it's first and foremost meant to be an entertaining TV show, so it didn't come out and say "We're exploring feminist themes that will doubtlessly impact the subconscious minds of young women each week at 8pm," but I think it kind of did that... at least in the first few seasons.

    It was also groundbreaking in a business sense, as it was one of the shows that launched the (now defunct) WB and helped bolster the trend of shows specifically made for teen viewers. Also, there isn't a whole host of popular sci fi - certainly not sci fi that was popular with teens.

    •  It also brought more of a Marvel Comics.... (0+ / 0-)

      Sensibility to TV, though I'm not sure that's a terribly important kind of ground to break -- and I'm not dissing comics, or Marvel, it's just not as radical as the French New Wave or what have you.

      Still, I wouldn't call Whedon's work so much "ground breaking" as just "extremely good." In many respects, he's quite old fashioned. Some of his dialogue has a real Howard Hawks feeling to it.

      Forward to Yesterday -- Reactionary aesthetics and liberal politics (in that order)

      by LABobsterofAnaheim on Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 08:28:39 PM PDT

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    •  not to mention the whole arc thing (0+ / 0-)

      I mean I only really got it when I watched an episode from season 1 and season 7 back to back but there is so much story there and such depth of character development.

      Few shows do that even half as well

      A song about life
      Why aren't you more like Gandhi? Why aren't I?

      by drache on Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 08:29:41 PM PDT

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    •  Speaking of fine shows with teen characters... (3+ / 0-)
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      susans, vacantlook, berrieh

      I thought Veronica Mars was outstanding.  The dialogue sparkled, the characters were fresh, even the mysteries were good.  (I say "even" because that's typically the weak spot, for me.)

      And this isn't even off thread because Joss Whedon liked the show so much he played a role in it (as an actor, I mean).

      •  The first season of Veronica Mars... (0+ / 0-) potentially the best story ever told anywhere, in any form.

        I think its definitely the best season of TV ever made.

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