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  •  Alternatively (1+ / 0-)
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    we could look for more resources

    •  Yep. We could. Drill baby drill?? (0+ / 0-)

      No quarter. No surrender.

      by hegemony57 on Sun Apr 26, 2009 at 11:31:01 AM PDT

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      •  Hardly (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't really wanna thread jack your diary, so if you wanna do this over email, feel free to drop me an email, and I'll try and respond.  With that said...

        The problem is that you are assuming the earth as a closed system, and that this has to be the only resource base.  (The drill baby drill crowd only considered the 2nd point, which is even more stupid)

        But the earth is not a closed system, although it does have a limited resource base.  The earth is part of the solar system, which has many more resources than the earth alone.  Therefore, the point is to expand that resource base, off planet.  

        As I said before, I have no intention of threadjacking this (I've both done it, and had it done to me) and if you'd rather do this over email, that is fine with me (although I have no problem if you want to do it here either) - ferris.valyn@gmail.com

        •  Here is fine. It may be so that in some (0+ / 0-)

          more distant future we could use extra-earth resources but that would not in any way change my contention that to approach the use of any resource unsustainably is well ... silly and wasteful.

          Why not leverage (as Amory Lovins suggests) negawatts instead of looking to produce megawatts?

          No quarter. No surrender.

          by hegemony57 on Sun Apr 26, 2009 at 01:03:42 PM PDT

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          •  I submit that its not (0+ / 0-)

            in some more distant future, but rather it can be done and considered near term (particularly when it comes to energy)

            As for it being silly and wasteful - sometimes wastefulness produces things you wouldn't expect, and I am not convince that it will be anyway easy or practical to go in the direction you are proposing, for reforming society.  

            •  I'll admit that I have a generalized aversion to (0+ / 0-)

              waste (think it came from my depression era parents) and not using anything carefully.  That goes for energy, land, water, etc.  So for me I think that waste is almost never a virtue and should be avoided like the plague.  But I do take your more general point (e.g. plants used CO2 and produce as waste Oxygen) too.

              No quarter. No surrender.

              by hegemony57 on Sun Apr 26, 2009 at 01:21:40 PM PDT

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