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  •  Then Where? (2+ / 0-)
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    That is an argument against building refineries (or power plants, or smelters, etc), not an argument that a refinery operator is behaving like a "tyrant."

    We consume refined products.  The refinery is going to be somewhere.  Let's find the best place and put in place the best technology to minimize pollution.  But then we need to stand by our deals and let the projects go forward.

    Perhaps you don't like Chevron, or you wish the entire Richmond refinery were somewhere else.  That's a fine point of view.  But the constant appeal of environmental impact statements has become an end in itself, a method of ensuring nothing gets done.  It is what kept Cape Wind from happening long enough for Ted Kennedy to kill it.  It is what will happen if California ever gets serious about building a SF-LA train - good luck getting over the Pacheco Pass without decades of litigation.

    •  We agree on one thing... (1+ / 0-)
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      You say: "Let's find the best place and put in place the best technology to minimize pollution."

      Minimizing pollution is not what Chevron is interested in. They want to expand the facility to refine dirtier fuels, which will increase pollution over poor neighborhoods. They bribed the city into issuing a permit for the expansion, and the city signed off despite protests by a majority of the residents.

      That is what the court will hear arguments about on May 20.

      If you have other arguments in defense of the Chevron Refinery expansion at Richmond, I suggest you contact the army of corporate lawyers they have assembled.

      The grassroots activists think we will win with our non-profit legal team.

      See you in court.

      "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." - Oscar Wilde

      by greendem on Sun May 03, 2009 at 09:42:58 PM PDT

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      •  If only other countries have Non-Profit Legal (0+ / 0-)

        Team...welcome to America's imperialist system. Dominate, Destroy and Defend.

        •  The Ecuadoran lawyers for the locals are great (0+ / 0-)

          And they are on the winning side of the argument. Godspeed to them.

          Chevron is about to get its ass handed to it on two continents.

          And that will be a lovely day for environmental justice.

          "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." - Oscar Wilde

          by greendem on Sun May 03, 2009 at 09:55:35 PM PDT

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          •  Justice that cant be enforced (0+ / 0-)

            Well i will call it Justice when i see it Lol. Even Alaska couldnt win in the United States with the best of lawyers on their side.

            $5billion to $500 million and the payment is still not made yet..Go figure.

            Now we are talking about $17 billion...i just dont see it happening...maybe im one of the Nay sayers, but knowing what they have done in Niger Delta, Nigeria...i wont bet against the oil Companies.

            •  "i wont bet against the oil Companies" (1+ / 0-)
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              You have certainly proven that tonight.

              That's fine, don't bet against Chevron, but please stop spinning a defense of this bad actor.

              Democrats believe in regulated capitalism and that citizens have the right to protect themselves, even from scary powerful corporations who are used to getting their way.

              "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." - Oscar Wilde

              by greendem on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:09:34 PM PDT

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              •  i am not trying to prove anything (1+ / 0-)
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                Nor am i in favor of the Oil companies. I am probably more angry with them than most because of the state of the corruption and pollution in Nigeria.

                I have learned to control my anger and have realistic expectation. I have also come to learn that we Americans (majority by the way) are really indifferent to the needs and aspirations of other countries. A loss of judgment by the Oil companies might mean increase in gas prices...thus more Americans will care more about that than fighting for the livelihood of the Ecuadorians.

                I wish we would all do more...instead of just talk about it. We can join hands as thousands and support the folks in Ecuador and let our govt know we are serious about Justice. Thats all i am saying.

      •  Big kids (0+ / 0-)

        They're plenty able to take care of themselves.

        But I'd love to hear your take on where you would like the products to be refined.  Because if a century-old refinery on an industrial waterfront with sheltered tanker access to the Pacific and access to every inland mode of transport doesn't work for you, we're going to have a hard time getting things built in this country.

        •  We need to end our (0+ / 0-)

          petroleum-dependent economy and move into the future. Americans put a man on the moon. We can figure out how to build a sustainable green economy.

          No time like the present.

          http://www.amazon.com/...

          Peace.

          "Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." - Oscar Wilde

          by greendem on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:34:41 PM PDT

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