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  •  Doesn't mean Harman isn't guilty of crimes. (4+ / 0-)
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    Just means Goss isn't a reliable source.

    •  Yup (5+ / 0-)

      Right now Goss is the only source saying Congress was fully informed on torture methods in 2002 and 2003 and those informed approved and asked if more could be done.

      Whether or not Harman is telling the truth is tangential to why Goss is attacking her. Harman was asking the CIA about torture. She also may have been involved with AIPAC, but on both subjects Goss is a motivated liar.

    •  It doesn't mean that she is either. (1+ / 0-)
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      Every new aspect of this story shows manipulation by the Bush admin and their defenders. Believing any aspect of what they have said strikes me as not a good idea.

    •  Hastert had his own espionage and vote-selling (4+ / 0-)
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      issues on tape:Did Speaker Hastert Accept Turkish Bribes to Deny Armenian Genocide and Approve Weapons Sales?

      AMY GOODMAN: And David Rose, the issue of the Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, and conversations overheard that link his office with improper dealings with Turkish nationals, can you talk about particular legislation?

      DAVID ROSE: Well, there was—there were two things, I understand, which those who were wiretapped, whose conversations were recorded and translated, referred to. One was the controversial deal to sell helicopters, attack helicopters, to Turkey, which was an issue of great controversy in the late 1990s. At that point, Turkey was fighting a pretty hot civil war with the Kurdish separatists in the east of the country. There were allegations of human rights abuses and so forth, and some in America thought it was wrong that Turkey should be sold several billion dollars worth of attack helicopters in those circumstances. So some of the calls allegedly referred to the hope that the Congress would approve that very large weapons sale.

      But the second occasion or second event which is allegedly referred to in these wiretaps is the Armenian genocide resolution which came before the House in 2000. Now, the Armenian lobby has made attempts with some support—I mean, Senator Bob Dole was a very great supporter of this back in the 1980s. The Armenians have tried to get the Congress to pass a genocide resolution so that—which would basically state that the mass murder of Armenians in Turkey that was carried out after 1915 was a genocide, and some countries have indeed passed such resolutions. Some states have in America. This resolution never really got anywhere until in 2000, Dennis Hastert, as House Speaker, announced he would support it.

      Now, at the time, analysts noted that there was a tight congressional race in California, in which the Armenian community might just swing it in favor of the Republican incumbent. But what is significant, the resolution had passed the Human Rights Subcommittee of the House. It passed the International Relations Committee, but on the eve of the House vote, the full House vote, Dennis Hastert withdrew the resolution. Now, at the time, he explained this by saying that he had had a letter from President Clinton asking him to withdraw it, because it wouldn’t be in America’s interests to have such a resolution, which, of course, was bitterly resisted inside Turkey, pass through the House.

      Well, it is slightly curious when you think about it. I mean, Dennis Hastert was not known, as one of the authors of Clinton’s impeachment, for deferring to his judgment on many occasions, but on this occasion, he apparently did. Well, whether or not these allegations have substance is not something that I am able to state with any knowledge, but it is said that in the wiretaps that were translated by Sibel Edmonds, reference was made to this very controversial question of the House vote. One of the Turkish targets of these wiretaps claimed that the price for getting Dennis Hastert to withdraw the resolution would be $500,000. Now, I do emphasize there’s no evidence at all that he received such a payment, but that is what is said to have been recorded in one of the wiretaps.

      AMY GOODMAN: We have to wrap up the discussion. We only have a few seconds, but Sibel Edmonds, you are taking a challenge to your dismissal, appealing your dismissal to the Supreme Court?

      SIBEL EDMONDS: Yes, Amy. Last week, we filed our petition with the Supreme Court, and in a few weeks there will be amicus filed in our support by 9/11 family members and other government watchdog organizations, and basically this is the last stop. This is the last channel, because, as you know, we have never been given our day in court, due to the State Secret privilege and the gag orders. And also I am pursuing this still with the Congress and I will continue until these issues come to light and until the Americans know what is going on in their government

    •  She almost certainly isn't, if Negroponte (0+ / 0-)

      was involved in spying on her and attempting to discredit her.  Negroponte is, after all, an escaped criminal.

      -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

      by neroden on Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 11:22:09 PM PDT

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      •  Rrrgh, clarifying the infighting, maybe she is (0+ / 0-)

        If Goss is the one smearing her and Negroponte is attempting to stop him, as the article seems to say, then she could be crooked.  :-)

        Not that Goss is anything but a war criminal either, anyway.

        -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

        by neroden on Mon Apr 27, 2009 at 11:24:16 PM PDT

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