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  •  Was the GOP ever a big tent? (3+ / 0-)

    I am 53 and seem to remember that they have always had litmus tests for being anti-choice and anti-gun control.

    The only courage that matters is the kind that gets you from one moment to the next. --Mignon McLaughlin

    by WestWind on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 05:01:27 AM PDT

    •  All that stuff was thrown into (2+ / 0-)
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      the mix when they were trying to come back after Watergate. Choice wasn't an issue until after Roe v. Wade, which was around the same time as Watergate. And in the 60s they had absorbed the most racist Dixiecrats.

      There used to be some true moderate Republicans. (The first Black senator was a moderate Republican from Massachusetts.) It was for them principally a matter of fiscal responsibility, not low taxes per se.

      Then the ideologues got hold of the party and this is the result.

      You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia".

      by yellowdog on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 05:38:33 AM PDT

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      •  I agree (2+ / 0-)
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        The R's of the 50s and 60s claimed to represent the ideas of limited government, civil liberties and fiscal responsibility.  Had they stayed true to those principles, Republicans would have opposed the Terry Schiavo federal intervention because a competent state judiciary had already determined that her husband was legally competent to make her end of life decisions.  Had they stayed true to those principles, Republicans would have supported gay marriage because the issue of marriage is something that can be entrusted to state governments. Had they stayed true to those principles, they would not have allowed George W. Bush to nearly double the national debt by waging a war of choice in Iraq.  The list goes on and on.  I think we are witnessing a messy divorce between the libertarian 50s and 60s wing of the party and the 70s to 90s wing that wants the federal government to dictate policy on numerous issues that the federal government quite rightly ought not to be involved, e.g., marriage, family planning, stem cell research, prayer in schools, gun laws, etc., etc.

        •  I would LOVE to have the 60s GOP back (0+ / 0-)

          across the aisle. We'd actually be able to get useful legislation passed without the current intransigence AND genuine conservatives would push back HARD against the Obama Justice Department's continuation of the consolidation of government power over the individual that has been insidiously stripping away more and more of our Bill of Rights since the advent of Thomas, Scalia, Alito, and Roberts. Our current DOJ's agenda in federal court appears almost indistinguishable from the Bush/ Cheney/ Gonzales DOJ. Terribly, terribly dangerous.

      •  bargain with the Moral Majority (0+ / 0-)

        came about in the Reagan era.  Funny thing is that Reagan never went to church, didn't really care about abortion.

        Before then, religious leadership pretty much stayed out of politics (other than the obligatory Billy Graham prayer).  

        What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is. ~ Dan Quayle

        by CParis on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 07:47:58 AM PDT

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      •  Yep (0+ / 0-)

        and one of the consequences of that was the re-definition of fiscal conservatism, from wanting to limit spending and deficits, to just wanting to cut taxes.  I.e. from something arguable to something just simplistic and stupid.

        Member, The Angry Left

        by nosleep4u on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 07:48:00 AM PDT

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