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  •  I notice you place W. Va in the northeast (3+ / 0-)
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    TiaRachel, Kimball Cross, fizziks

    I think W. VA is considered either upland south or Appalachia, not part of the northeast, at least I never thought so in all the years I've lived in Philly and NYC.

    Those are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others.

    by tazz on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 12:58:44 PM PDT

    •  West Virginia is not in the Northeast (3+ / 0-)
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      Today and yesterday, Kos, you are assuming strange revisionist geographical classifications: putting the Southern states of OK and WV in the Midwest and Northeast, respectively. I wonder what poli sci or geographical academic forums there are that see things this way. OK and WV are both solidly hillbilly, except that the WV panhandle is largely Midwestern.

      The US Census Bureau divides the 50 states into four regions. Their South includes OK, WV, MD, and DE. For MD and DE there are good geographical arguments for both "Southern" and "Northeastern".

      •  As I say above (2+ / 0-)
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        These are the classifications our pollster uses, and I stick with them in order to make apples-to-apples comparisons from our polling.

        You can quibble away, however. You have a good case with WV. With OK (and I've lived there), a little less so.

        •  You should tell your pollster to change that up (1+ / 0-)
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          neroden

          It is ridiculous.

          All this wasted time learning and acquiring skills... And all along I should have just squinted to see Russia

          by fizziks on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 03:02:49 PM PDT

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        •  The NE ends in Penna and NJ (0+ / 0-)

          Delaware and Maryland are in the "Mid-Atlantic" region, not the "Northeast", despite proximity to Pennsylvania.  The climate difference is notable as is the cultural difference.

          Using four large regions doesn't feel right.  Culturally, I have to divide the country as follows:
          (1) West Coast
          (2) Desert Southwest (AZ, NM, parts of neighbors)
          (3) Mountain West
          (4) Mormonland (Zion?)
          (5) Upper (high-farm, low-rust) Midwest
          (6) Western South (OK, most of TX, parts of NE and MO)
          (7) Rust Belt (which also has a lot of farming)
          (8) Appalachia
          (9) Northeast
          (10) Mid-Atlantic
          (11) Traditional 'Deep' South
          (12) Florida.  (Land of Disney, Cubans, and retirees.)
          (13) Alaska.  Alaska is just something else.

          The trouble is, these blend into each other without respecting state lines.  Panhandle Florida is very much traditional south.  The Rust Belt starts in upstate NY.  Appalachia sticks into Pennsylvania.  Louisiana is a mix of Texas-style South and Mississipi-style Deep South.  The Mid-Atlantic ends somewhere in the middle of North Carolina.
          California is actually a mix of "West Coast", "Desert Southwest", and "Mountain West". The Mountain West ends halfway through Oregon and Washington (corresponding with the geography).  Illinois straddles the Rust Belt, Upper Midwest, and Appalachia.

          Geographically, the "traditional south" is the largest.  Population, hard to tell (but the Mormon area, the Desert Southwest, and Appalachia are all quite low-pop.)

          I mean, this is not a serious academic attempt, but it's clear the cultural lines are complicated.  The four-category split manages to pick out the Northeast cultural cluster (with a bunch of extra bits), and the Deep South cultural cluster (with a bunch of extra bits), and completely muddles the rest together, with the predictable result that the "Mountain West", "West Coast", and "Midwest" numbers look very close to the national average most of the time.

          -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

          by neroden on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 07:17:54 PM PDT

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      •  Midwestern? (0+ / 0-)

        Northern Panhandle and Parkersburg/Point Pleasant to an extent, but other areas? not so much. WV has a strongly PA-like area in North-central WV in the Morgantown-Fairmont-Clarksburg corridor, but the Southern parts of the state are more like Va and Kentucky, while Eastern Panhandle is Republican Bedroom country for DC.

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