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  •  But the State put the rat in the cell (4+ / 0-)

    for the express propose of getting evidence they might use. At that point he becomes an agent of the State, who should have to announce that he is such, not just another random arrested person.

    Getting Dems together and keeping them that way is like trying to herd cats, hopped up on crank, through LA, during an earthquake, in the rain. -6.25, -6.10

    by Something the Dog Said on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 10:54:53 AM PDT

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    •  Sometimes I wonder if that would even work. (3+ / 0-)

      These idiots would find a way to talk about they did even with a ball gag secured with duct tape.

      Can someone please explain to me how there can be a "moderate" position on equality??

      by browneyes on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 10:58:57 AM PDT

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    •  So? (1+ / 0-)
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      There is a reason people are told they have the right to remain silent upon arrest.  So they know they don't have to incriminate themselves to anyone.

      If someone spills the beans whether it be to a cop or some guy in the prison bathroom, there is no privlage or protection assigned to those comments.

      It doesn't matter if they put someone into that cell to "listen".  Unless that person represented themselves as a doctor or an attorney, it's not confidential.

      You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

      by DawnG on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:02:39 AM PDT

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      •  Then why not just tape everything? (1+ / 0-)
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        If you are willing to go that far, then why not full audio visual surveillance of prisoners unless they are meeting with a doctor or counsel?

        Getting Dems together and keeping them that way is like trying to herd cats, hopped up on crank, through LA, during an earthquake, in the rain. -6.25, -6.10

        by Something the Dog Said on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:06:36 AM PDT

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        •  Shouldn't Prisoners ACT Like That Was the Case?? (0+ / 0-)

          If I woke up tomorrow to find myself transformed into a lawyer, after I drank poison, shot myself repeatedly, hung myself and jumped off Lookout Mountain, I would advise EVERY client to assume everything he said or did in custody was on tape.

          True bipartisanship is prosecuting criminals regardless of Party.

          by The Baculum King on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:10:58 AM PDT

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        •  becuase people don't talk to themselves. (1+ / 0-)
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          There are all kinds of things cops are permitted to do to trip people up.  

          But at the end of the day, everyone has the right to remain silent and everyone has to be advised of that right.

          You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

          by DawnG on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:11:14 AM PDT

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          •  But that is the point. When you are talking to (1+ / 0-)
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            detectives or uniformed officers, you know you are talking to Agents of the State. You have an ability to understand when it is to your determent to speak. You can be tripped up then, I have no problem with that. My problem is when you don't know you are talking to such an Agent.

            If this fellow had just blabbed to a cell mate, I got no problem with using what the cellmate knows. If the cellmate has an incentive to get information out, that to me, is the same as being on the police payroll and should be known.

            Getting Dems together and keeping them that way is like trying to herd cats, hopped up on crank, through LA, during an earthquake, in the rain. -6.25, -6.10

            by Something the Dog Said on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:13:55 AM PDT

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            •  and I'm saying it doesnt' matter... (0+ / 0-)

              ...if you're talking to an agent of the state or some guy sitting next to you in the cell.  

              Everything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

              You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

              by DawnG on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:45:55 AM PDT

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