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  •  Bullshit (7+ / 0-)

    That contradicts what former CIA officer John Kiriakou, who led the Zubaydah capture team, told ABC News in 2007 when he first revealed publicly that waterboarding had been used.

    You don't blame your sources for your shitty reporting.

    Science is whatever we want it to be.

    by als10 on Fri May 01, 2009 at 11:17:05 AM PDT

    •  You mean they didnt report (4+ / 0-)

      that they only had one unconfirmed source. And of course the CIA NEVER hides the truth about what they are doing.

      Geez NO ONE is that naive.

      •  They have this slavish boy-crush (2+ / 0-)
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        on how super-secret and supercool and James Bond-y the FBI and CIA are, and it never occurs to them that that super-secrecy and supercool-ity and James Bond-yness sometimes manifests itself in lying to the press.

        Even after it's proved to them. A few times.

        Fight until we win. Then we can begin arguing about the details. - Kwickkick (RIP) 2009

        by RickMassimo on Fri May 01, 2009 at 11:34:03 AM PDT

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        •  I'm pretty sure (1+ / 0-)
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          it occurs to them.

          But what are they going to do?

          Science is whatever we want it to be.

          by als10 on Fri May 01, 2009 at 11:37:19 AM PDT

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          •  If that's not a rhetorical question ... (3+ / 0-)
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            ... the answer would be "Treat a single CIA guy with an uncorroborated story or theory the same way you would any other guy with an axe to grind that shows up at your door or your inbox with something that sounds improbable."

            Fight until we win. Then we can begin arguing about the details. - Kwickkick (RIP) 2009

            by RickMassimo on Fri May 01, 2009 at 11:50:43 AM PDT

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            •  No, (2+ / 0-)
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              I mean in terms of media relations with our intelligence agencies.

              You said something to the effect of the media being fascinated with the secrecy of the CIA etc. and that it didn't occur to them that the CIA isn't forthright with valid information.  I'm saying it does occur to them but they don't have many options available.  So they can:

              1. Write a story with a source from the CIA who probably isn't being honest.
              1. Write a story without any attribution
              1. Not write a story at all.

              It's shitty reporting, but I kind of think of it in terms of the "bullshit that everyone knows is bullshit but nobody says so."  It's almost like sports journalism.  Players and coaches rarely give anything other than stock responses and cliche sports phrases but they still do interviews constantly.

              They don't want to be the only organization not covering torture.

              Does that make sense?  I've had too much coffee.

              Science is whatever we want it to be.

              by als10 on Fri May 01, 2009 at 12:07:34 PM PDT

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              •  It makes sense ... (1+ / 0-)
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                ... but I think the option is to take down the stuff the CIA agent tells you and then look for a way to corroborate it.

                Just like I'm sure they would do if a CIA source told them he had inside knowledge that waterboarding didn't do a damn bit of good.

                Fight until we win. Then we can begin arguing about the details. - Kwickkick (RIP) 2009

                by RickMassimo on Fri May 01, 2009 at 12:47:25 PM PDT

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              •  More succinctly ... (2+ / 0-)
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                They don't want to be the only organization not covering torture.

                Then cover it. REALLY cover it. Get all points of view. Make some credibility judgments. Typing down a govenrment official telling you that the government is good and wise is not "covering" anything.

                Fight until we win. Then we can begin arguing about the details. - Kwickkick (RIP) 2009

                by RickMassimo on Fri May 01, 2009 at 12:49:54 PM PDT

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