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  •  Their torture crimes were horrific (3+ / 0-)

    But just the tip of the iceberg really, part of a much larger pattern of lawbreaking, deceit, and abuse of power.

    "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

    by elwior on Fri May 01, 2009 at 01:42:01 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, really. (1+ / 0-)
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      And what's even more incredibly fucked up is all these things were done "because we're in a post-9/11 world" but these exact same people have been wanting to do these exact same things for 30 years at least. Cheney and a bunch of others in the Bush administration now have hated FISA since it became law because it 'took power away from the executive,' and they've all supported unilateral, pre-emptive war and NSA spying and torture since the '70s.

      I think it's really sick that they wouldn't just come out and explain what their beliefs are, that they'd actually use the deaths of 3,000 Americans to fulfill their political agenda.

      "ENOUGH!" - President Barack Hussein Obama

      by indiemcemopants on Fri May 01, 2009 at 01:46:54 PM PDT

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      •  I think their beliefs fall under (2+ / 0-)

         the general heading of Fascism.

        "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

        by elwior on Fri May 01, 2009 at 01:58:28 PM PDT

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        •  Fascism id such a jaded term. (1+ / 0-)
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          Let's go back to source.

          Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power.

          Benito Mussolini

          Casualty is the first truth of war. (-6.00,-7.03)

          by Foreign Devil on Fri May 01, 2009 at 02:02:57 PM PDT

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        •  I actually sincerely (2+ / 0-)
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          think that is an appropriate word.

          - they oppose FISA because it limits the executive branch that they didn't like, they wanted to stop its passage and they wanted to illegally wiretap Seymour Hersh in the '70s. - they created the Intelligence Identities Protection Act when some CIA agents were speaking publicly about the CIA's involvement in helping right wing dictators. They wanted a law that would punish the people protecting dictators by punishing whistleblowers. - the same people who wanted the law passed in order to punish whistleblowers and protect fascists ended up almost being charged under that same act for outing a CIA agent for political reasons. - Cheney has said multiple times that he would prefer if the president would not even ask congress for authorization for war. - instead of asking congress for much of anything, Bush has bypassed them multiple times and has written executive orders for what he wanted. - Bush has circumvented the courts, not only setting up his own tribunals when he felt like it, but removing the American Bar Association from reviewing a judge's credentials, and then appointing conservative nutjobs to lifetime appointments in the courts.

          They have no use for any branch of government except the executive branch and they've been propping up corporations for decades, partly to make money and partly because it's easier to keep third party contractors from having to deal with convictions and trials and all that noise.

          So, fascism is pretty apt.

          "ENOUGH!" - President Barack Hussein Obama

          by indiemcemopants on Fri May 01, 2009 at 02:14:20 PM PDT

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