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  •  that's not correct,actually (2+ / 0-)
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    first of all, there's a good deal of partial immunity and second of all, the seasonal flu protected against A but not B.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:13:07 AM PDT

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    •  it didn't protect (0+ / 0-)

      the more than ten thousand people who died of "seasonal flu" this past flu season.  Where's the panic about that ? ? ?

      •  what are you talking about? (0+ / 0-)

        honestly, what are you talking about?

        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

        by Greg Dworkin on Sun May 03, 2009 at 11:38:24 AM PDT

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        •  influenza (0+ / 0-)

          http://findarticles.com/...

          Against that background death rate H1N1 is lost in the noise, and the failure of current vaccination policy is obvious.

          •  define failure (0+ / 0-)

            do you think that everyone who should be isn't vaccinated? or that vaccination when given doesn't work? they are all different issues.

            "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

            by Greg Dworkin on Sun May 03, 2009 at 12:41:01 PM PDT

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            •  30,000 plus deaths per year (0+ / 0-)

              from what should be a preventable disease, is failure.

              And it makes the Chicken Little handwringing about H1N1 look stupid . . .

              •  your analysis is, to borrow a phrase (0+ / 0-)

                strikingly superficial. ;-P

                Why do you think flu is so easily a preventable disease? You make it sound like if only x and y were done, then that number would be zero - and someone made it be 36K. Do you attribute it to vaccine failure or failure to inoculate? Why is it a "fault" when the elderly do not respond as well to vaccine as younger patients?

                etc, etc, etc.

                "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                by Greg Dworkin on Sun May 03, 2009 at 01:20:04 PM PDT

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                •  it's not my job (1+ / 0-)
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                  to school you in public health . . . and if you believe that our current policy toward influenza is working fine, and H1N1 is our biggest "flu" problem, I doubt that anyone can.

                  etc, etc, etc.

                  •  I wish people would not be so binary (0+ / 0-)

                    "If people die then the entire public health system is a failure [your word]."

                    Maybe, if they are preventable deaths. Has that been established? Not to my knowledge. That's my point.

                    My friend revere will be doing a post tomorrow or the next day on that 35K-36K number, where it comes from, and what it means. let's understand it better before jumping to "success" or "failure" as a label.

                    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                    by Greg Dworkin on Sun May 03, 2009 at 03:10:18 PM PDT

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                    •  when you have to fabricate (0+ / 0-)

                      to make your (failed) point you'd do better to just quit.

                      "If people die then the entire public health system is a failure [your word]."

                      NOT my words, of course . . . what I wrote was

                      30,000 plus deaths per year from what should be a preventable disease, is failure.

                      •  sigh... your point is what, exactly? (0+ / 0-)

                        you have addressed nothing I pointed out. Get a grip on the complexity of the issue.

                        36K is a lot of deaths, but it's neither simple to define, simple to define as "preventable", as you have, nor simple to fix, as you imply. It would be wonderful to be able to do those things and prevent those deaths. Can you point to any, y'know, references, facts or other data that would enlighten us about those key issues? Can you define why they are preventable?

                        If not, maybe you should avoid using the word "failure".

                        "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

                        by Greg Dworkin on Sun May 03, 2009 at 03:46:21 PM PDT

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