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  •  Let's see... (4+ / 0-)
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    ...before 9/11, America didn't torture.

    After 9/11, not only did America torture, it also became evident that vast swaths of America actually has a bit of a taste for torture.

    So please explain to me how 9/11 (at least as far as the torture issue is concerned) was not a success for the terrorists.

    No, I'm not "siding with the terrorists" when I ask this.  I'm trying to side with my government, but my goverment won't let me.

    I just need to know the upside of America transforming itself into a torture state after 9/11.  As far as common sense & the embrace of a sense of decency, that rings of a terrorist victory that serves to destroy America from within.  

    We've mainstreamed sadism after 9/11.  The meatpuppets are always telling me there is an upside to this.  Somebody  explain.

    Torture under Bush & Cheney: Done to "keep us safe" or the fulfillment of a sadism fetish? You decide.

    by wyvern on Sun May 03, 2009 at 09:22:05 PM PDT

    •  I think that if you read ... (9+ / 0-)

      ...Langguth's piece that heads this diary - and other work - you'll see that that the U.S. tortured, funding torturers, trained torturers and even wrote manuals (in the 1980s) showing people it hadn't trained how to torture. The difference between then and now is that there are those who openly take pride in the fact these days.

      "The truth does not change according to our ability to stomach it." -Flannery O'Connor

      by Meteor Blades on Sun May 03, 2009 at 09:24:34 PM PDT

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      •  Except Negroponte, Ollie North & Goron Liddy (2+ / 0-)
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        have always seemed openly proud.

        A little OT, but remember Ollie claiming way back that he was a personal target of Bin Laden's?  Don't recall that whole plot against He-whose-eyes-emit-the-grace-of-god being fleshed out in any detail.  Was one of his excuses for spending a big wad of gov. money on a super-duper security fence around his personal home wasn't it?

        Why would OBL pinpoint North as his individual target?

        "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

        by 417els on Sun May 03, 2009 at 11:55:15 PM PDT

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