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  •  If torture is not prosecuted in this country... (21+ / 0-)

    If Bush, Cheney and the rest of the reprobates are not prosecuted for their involvement in war crimes by the government of the United States then it means democracy is [officially] dead.

    It means that the question as to whether torturing detainees is legal or not is left up to the discretion of the [monarchical] administration that happens to be in power at the time.

    Ultimately, if they are not punished then Bush was indeed correct when he quipped that the...

    "U.S. Constitution is just a god damn piece of paper."

    "If you once forfeit the confidence of your fellow citizens, you can never regain their respect and esteem." -- Abraham Lincoln

    by markthshark on Sun May 03, 2009 at 10:06:53 PM PDT

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    •  On the Bill Moyer's latest program, (7+ / 0-)

         he interviews Bruce Fein and Mark Danner on torture and the many avenues for holding people accountable. You can listen to the podcast here.
         Mark Danner expanded upon the idea that A J Langgith did in one too short statement near the end of his article for the LA Times. Bush and Cheney and many in the media have taken this discussion public and they may be winning the battle. The 24 scenario is winning.
         Danner advocates a massive education of the public with a public investigation and prosecution of those found guilty. If Obama then wants to "pardon" those who are found guilty, he has to live with the political consequences of this action. He compares it to Watergate and the role that Sam Ervin's Committee did in the 1970's. However, he says that Congress can not control the investigation since they are complicit.
         Holder needs to appoint a small committee of special investigators who are grounded in the law and have a history of the CIA and government actions with our support and training throughout the world.
         We can not allow the discussion of torture to remain in the public domain as it will for the next two years and not have prosecutions. As in the Church Committee report from the 1970's, much of our sordid past was shielded from the public even though Congress had the full report. Cheney understands that if he beats his chest and speaks of the dark side and our government takes no or very limited action only against the lower ranks, then he has won the debate. He then walks away with his head held high. We can't allow this to happen.

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