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  •  I pray that's snark. (2+ / 0-)
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    kurt, Abra Crabcakeya

    Or a good thing.

    It's been a long day, and my instincts may be off-kilter.  I can't believe I just argued with a troll.

    •  No, it's not, sadly. (0+ / 0-)

      And you know I heart you, but I could not disagree with you more about this stuff. This is even worse then going into I/P diaries with Luntz.

      •  ??? (0+ / 0-)

        So there was no propagandizing after the War?

        Or it's inappropriate to honor any Confederate soldiers (and here you'd be agreeing with sparkmaster)?

        Or should I endorse slavery?

        •  Art. (2+ / 0-)
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          grndrush, ArtSchmart

          No, I don't think you should endorse the slavery, thank you very much. As far as propagandizing after the War, I can't yet speak to that - my copy of The Peoples' History of the United States (by Howard Zinn) is waiting for me with baited breath, but I'm waiting a day or two, because I read for 6 straight hours today.

          Freaking John Grisham. :)

          Anyway, I think it may not be inappropriate to honor Confederate soldiers but it definitely IS inappropriate to honor Confederate leaders.

          If s.m. is a troll, that's fine. But that whole "state's rights" shit is crap to me. I don't buy it, not even for a second.

          •  The generals weren't making policy. (2+ / 0-)

            You don't see me defending Jeff Davis.

            States' rights might not be such a big issue today, but it surely was then, and it was decided by the war.  It's not that unlike our argument about FISA today -- we are right to get heated over that, though future generations may think it quaint if domestic spying becomes the permanent law of the land to cope with war or terrorism.

            I haven't read Zinn (eeek, I know), but am arguing from a knowledge of many, many primary sources of the mid-nineteenth century.  I'm an historian and archival researcher; I don't trust subsequent "interpretations."

            •  Fair enough. (2+ / 0-)
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              grndrush, ArtSchmart

              I have a feeling that you and I would agree vehemently on FISA, anyway.

              I don't know - stuff like this is why I could never go into the military in the first place:

              1. I could never kill anybody
              1. I'd shit my pants if somebody tried to kill me, and
              1. States rights is argued today (a lot) by both Republicans and Libertarians. That's just an excuse they present, and not very well, IMHO.

              I think it's awesome that you're an historian and archival researcher, but what happens when you can't/won't learn, ya know? I DON'T do that for my job, so it's no big to me.

    •  ArtSchmart , consider it field maneuvers. NT (1+ / 0-)
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