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  •  There is an issue with a significant segment (1+ / 0-)
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    of the black community in DC.  I must admit that I am not sure if its 10%, 30%, 70% or 5% but there have been anti-gay marriage rallies sponsored and attended by black pastors and their congregations.

    Does anyone know if this has been polled?

    No quarter. No surrender.

    by hegemony57 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 07:25:11 AM PDT

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    •  It's very likely no larger a representation... (8+ / 0-)

      ...than in the white population (which has also hosted anti-gay marraige rallys)

      You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

      by DawnG on Wed May 06, 2009 at 07:56:02 AM PDT

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      •  correct (4+ / 0-)

        (0.12, -3.33) disagreement does not automatically render one a shill. duh.

        by terrypinder on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:11:39 AM PDT

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      •  I'd like to see it polled. (1+ / 0-)
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        No quarter. No surrender.

        by hegemony57 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:15:35 AM PDT

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        •  You're not going to start in with (4+ / 0-)
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          that reprehensible "blacks are more homophobic than whites" crap are you?  Because that is pure racism.

          "Never say you know the last word about any human heart." - Henry James

          by RadioGirl on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:35:08 AM PDT

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          •  Exactly!!! (2+ / 0-)
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            Thank you.

          •  So you think there is no difference on this (0+ / 0-)

            issue by age, region, religion or race?  What I am saying is that I would like to see a poll with crosstabs (for the demographic groups) that tells us what people are thinking about this issue.

            Check out this poll (older, but makes the point that demographics do indeed count) that shows a WIDE variance in demographics groups ...

            BS News Poll. May 20-23, 2004. Nationwide:

            "Which comes closest to your view? Gay couples should be allowed to legally marry. OR, Gay couples should be allowed to form civil unions but not legally marry. OR There should be no legal recognition of a gay couple's relationship." N=1,113 adults, MoE ± 3 (for all adults)

            .

            Legal
            Marriage Civil
            Unions No Legal
            Recognition
            % % %
            ALL 28 29 40
             Republicans 13 33 53
             Democrats 32 28 36
             Independents 37 27 33
             18-29 years 43 32 25
             30-44 29 25 44
             45-64 26 29 41
             65 & older 12 32 51
             Northeast 35 31 33
             Midwest 26 23 47
             South 23 26 48
             West 31 36 28

            There has been some heated discussion about this issue and some polling data would help to quantify some of the claims and suppositions people have made.

            No quarter. No surrender.

            by hegemony57 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:44:27 AM PDT

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            •  What claims? Yours? (2+ / 0-)
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            •  So long as we're swapping info, try this (2+ / 0-)
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              on for size - about the (white dominant) failure of Prop 8 opponents to reach out in meaningful ways to African American communities.  

              NTRO TO PIECE:  "At the African American Town Hall I got to speak at length to Latrice Johnson of the group United Lesbians of African Heritage, or ULOAH, a non-profit that’s been around for nearly two decades promoting the health and safety of Black lesbians, During her panel she revealed how her organization first interacted with the larger marriage equality campaign."

              Before we white queers start in blathering falsely about how there's so much more homophobia in communities of color - particularly black communities – I suggest we focus in on addressing our own racism, writ small or large in our individual and political lives. And I suggest that our movement get serious about framing LGBT work through a lens that also centers race and class.  

              "Never say you know the last word about any human heart." - Henry James

              by RadioGirl on Wed May 06, 2009 at 09:03:45 AM PDT

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              •  Yep. BTW, I am white but not queer. Think that (0+ / 0-)

                there is plenty of reason (and will) to get LBGT and AA and other communities together on this.  Basically I'm a leftist that thinks hard core identify politics have hurt the greater progressive movement ... I understand the need for people to identify but think that there has often been an overemphasis on particular individual traits with the by-product being an underemphasis on interests (e.g. class interests).

                No quarter. No surrender.

                by hegemony57 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 09:20:12 AM PDT

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                •  thanks for correcting my assumption (1+ / 0-)
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                  about you being queer!  

                  I'm a leftist who thinks that too much of the left fails to take race, gender, and sexuality into account in terms of complicating (and developing better responses to) economic injustice, militarism, the prison industrial complex, and other issues.  Of course there are limits to identity politics - but even greater limits to a class struggle vision that fails to center race, gender, and sexuality.  

                  "Never say you know the last word about any human heart." - Henry James

                  by RadioGirl on Wed May 06, 2009 at 09:39:32 AM PDT

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                  •  I respectfully disagree. The politics of identity (0+ / 0-)

                    as defined and effected by its practitioners is subversive to a program of wider (I will say class, but it could also be communal, social, national or other) interest.

                    As with any analysis multiple factors and inputs must be considered to resolve the problem.  However, I think the extension of identity politics to the wider political economy hurts the larger progressive agenda which combines personal freedom with communal and social responsibilities.

                    My 2 cents.

                    No quarter. No surrender.

                    by hegemony57 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 11:30:14 AM PDT

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        •  so get it polled. (0+ / 0-)

          don't wait for someone else to pay for it.

          If you want it, go do it.

          You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

          by DawnG on Wed May 06, 2009 at 10:20:54 AM PDT

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