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  •  do some research (1+ / 0-)
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    and lay off the politically correct idealism. homophobia is a huge issue in the black community. Learn about it before you speak.

    Let's get to work.

    by owl06 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:11:06 AM PDT

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    •  I know about it because I am black (8+ / 0-)

      this research you speak of has been my fucking existence.  And you are claiming something based on your own and other people's generalizations.  

      Ann Compton to President Obama at next presser: "Is it true that once you go black, you can never go back?" Obama: "WTF?"

      by dlh77489 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:14:17 AM PDT

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      •  try the google (0+ / 0-)

        there is plenty that has been written on the topic. I went to a mostly black university in philadelphia and was part of GLBT groups that.

        we held seminars about the topic of other minorities turning on gays, and prejudice among minorities in general. It is especially difficult for young black men to be gay. You my friend are the exception.

        Let's get to work.

        by owl06 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:19:42 AM PDT

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        •  Here's something written on the (4+ / 0-)

          topic - from The New Yorker- that challenges your take on all of this.

          Some conservative commentators, who didn’t have much else to gloat about, dwelt lingeringly on what they evidently regarded as the upside of the huge, Obama-sparked African-American turnout. "It was the black vote that voted down gay marriage," Bill O’Reilly, of Fox News, insisted triumphantly—and, it turns out, wrongly. If exit polling is to be believed, seventy per cent of California’s African-American voters did indeed vote yes on Prop. 8, as did upward of eighty per cent of Republicans, conservatives, white evangelicals, and weekly churchgoers. But the initiative would have passed, barely, even if not a single African-American had shown up at the polls.

          Still, this was a fight that should have been won, and after the initial shock—which tempted a few gay and lesbian voices to blame blacks for what O’Reilly credited them with—California’s gay activists and their straight allies, judging from their online postmortems, have begun to direct more criticism at themselves than at their opponents. They were complacent: early polls had shown Prop. 8 losing by double digits. Their television ads were timid and ineffective, focussing on worthy abstractions like equality and fairness, while the other side’s were powerfully emotional. (Also dishonest—they implied that gay marriage would threaten churches’ tax exemptions, force church-affiliated adoption agencies to place children with gay couples, and oblige children to attend gay weddings—but that sort of thing was to be expected.) Barack Obama, like Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, had come out against Prop. 8, yet the No-on-8 forces let Obama’s popularity be used against them: a mass mailing suggesting that the Democratic nominee was for it went essentially unanswered.

          Please stop trumpeting facile, racist blather about African Americans and homophobia.  There's homophobia everywhere - and astonishing forms of resistance/challenge to it as well.  

          "Never say you know the last word about any human heart." - Henry James

          by RadioGirl on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:50:13 AM PDT

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          •  oh place (0+ / 0-)

            I knew it was only a matter of time until I was called a racist. let's not have intellectual honest on daily kos - only PC bullshit is allowed. grow up.

            There is also a serious problem with nutrition and obesity in the black community. let's ignore the problem, because it sounds like it's a generalization! racist I tell you!

            Let's get to work.

            by owl06 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:52:52 AM PDT

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            •  please* (0+ / 0-)

              Let's get to work.

              by owl06 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:55:17 AM PDT

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            •  owl06, there is racism in (5+ / 0-)

              queer communities, and I believe that this meme about "more homophobia in black communities" is precisely that:  racist.

              I find it quite interesting when white people slather African American communities with accusations about homophobia and then immediately dismiss any challenges about racism embedded in that meme with dismissive accusations of political correctness.

              Believe me:  as a feminist, as a queer person, as a white person who centers race and class in my own writing and work, I have often been on the receiving end of the dismissive charge of "political correctness."  That used to be a right-wing theme; sad that it's been adopted by so many liberal whites.

              In this thread, I have been posting information that presents a challenge to your remarks.  Shutting down discussion?  I don't think so.  But I am not going to remain silent when other white LGBT people make blanket assertions about diverse black communities.  

              "Never say you know the last word about any human heart." - Henry James

              by RadioGirl on Wed May 06, 2009 at 09:08:42 AM PDT

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            •  strictly, no one called you a racist (3+ / 0-)
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              As for whether the statement in question was racist... that can be argued either way.

              I just ran two tables. One of them showed black respondents more likely than whites or "others" to say that "sexual relations between two adults of the same sex" are "always wrong." The other shows basically no difference among whites, blacks, and "others" in affect toward "gay men and lesbians." A perfect setup for an endless circular argument. Great. All in all, I side with the folks who warn against sweeping generalizations.

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      generalizations aren't usually sufficient in "research."

      Ann Compton to President Obama at next presser: "Is it true that once you go black, you can never go back?" Obama: "WTF?"

      by dlh77489 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:15:23 AM PDT

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