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  •  I like talking about race and I'm white. I can't (3+ / 0-)
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    ExStr8, CaliSista, Adept2u

    say for sure if it has to do with familiarity but it does make sense to me.  Polling has shown that people who know gay people (friends, colleagues, relatives) are more likely to support civil rights measures that are inclusive of LBGT folks.  As for talking race, i do think it helps if people have had life experiences (especially as young people) with those of different races.  I grew up in a mixed racial community (Hempstead, NY in the 1960's) and had both white and black friends (school, little league, cub scouts, etc.) from an early age.  So for me at least I think this makes it pretty easy to talk race and racial politics and the history of racism and the connected civil rights movements.

    No quarter. No surrender.

    by hegemony57 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:50:03 AM PDT

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    •  Does that mean (2+ / 0-)
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      that "some of your best friends are......"  :)

      •  After I hit "Post", (3+ / 0-)
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        I thought I should clarify that I was teasing...

        Racial discussions can be fraught with danger -sigh-

      •  Yikes!!! Didn't see the smiley at first. It's (2+ / 0-)
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        interesting because my life as a younger person (up to age 13) was more integrated than it was in my young and middle adult life.   My folks moved us (I was heartbroken and cried for 3 weeks) to a different town on Long Island because they were scared that I would be in danger at Hempstead High School because I was white.  I didn't see it that way but could not persuade them otherwise.

        Now I live in DC and have a more racially and ethnically integrated life again, although I do experience a level of tension and separateness between the races/classes that feels more intense than in NYC.

        No quarter. No surrender.

        by hegemony57 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 09:02:14 AM PDT

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    •  That's cool (2+ / 0-)
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      hegemony57, CaliSista

      My only rec listed diary was how I grew up
      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      I think you'll find in that polling that religeous affiliation has more to do with anti gay bias then race, and if you really wanted to break it down.  If you asked should gay people have the benefits of marriage, ie insurance, ability to inheirit property etc. the poll would skew even more.  

      One of the things that perplexes me is the impatience of the gay community.  Not that they should have to wait for their rights, but literally 4 years ago issues like gay marriage polled like what 30% lower?  There seems to be a title wave going to the correct side of the issue despite setbacks like prop 8.

      They tortured people to get false confessions to fraudulently justify our invading Iraq.

      by Adept2u on Wed May 06, 2009 at 08:58:10 AM PDT

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      •  I'm going to check out your diary in a minute (1+ / 0-)
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        but I think this is the kind of discussion that makes me think we will continue to make progress on civil rights.

        I understand LBGT impatience but you have a point in terms of how long it took for the racial civil rights (100 years from the end of the emancipation proclamation) movement to make any measurable progress.

        As recently as last year I thought the LBGT community should go slow but now I think the dynamic has changed and that pushing ahead on gay marriage (and perhaps in some places civil unions) is the right way to go.

        I do hope that Obama seizes the day on this and puts it on his agenda ... perhaps after 2010 or maybe in his second term?

        No quarter. No surrender.

        by hegemony57 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 09:09:56 AM PDT

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      •  Just read it. Beautiful!!!! n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        No quarter. No surrender.

        by hegemony57 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 09:14:24 AM PDT

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