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  •  Huh? (2+ / 0-)
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    jpfdeuce, chicago minx

    Crist should be popular enough to withstand this, no?

    Blagojevich/Palin '12.

    by fou on Wed May 06, 2009 at 03:45:07 PM PDT

    •  Cutting off your nose (12+ / 0-)

      To spite your face goes PERFECTLY right now.

      Between my shoulders is a genius. Between my legs is a penis. It seems I have to get both my minds right...

      by theone718 on Wed May 06, 2009 at 03:48:31 PM PDT

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      •  it is troubling, though. (4+ / 0-)
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        Knut Wicksell, kovie, jpfdeuce, golconda2

        Given the earlier posts about secession sentiment, I'm afraid that a particular element of our society has not had as much influence and power over a national party organization since before the 1860s.  

        Think about it. Following the civil war, the south was economically devastated, and while it became a significant part of the Democratic party, it was much less powerful.  This segment began migrating to the Republicans with the Dixiecrats.  At first, they were one of many and were diluted among the R's just as they were among the D's.  Along with Republican ascendance of the last 40 years, there has been a greater economic prosperity in the Sun Belt, including the South. Now, it is the ideological descendants of those people who are now running the show at the RNC.

        So, this is the first time that this social element has had this measure of national stature and control over a national organization like the Republican Party. I don't think we've quite seen a politics in this country quite like this since before the Civil War.   The sudden resurgence of secessionist sentiment and attempts at nullification through 'sovereignty' resolutions, would seem to support this conclusion, as we haven't seen anything like that advocated in our politics since the Antebellum time period.  I can't discount the sudden resurgence of these ideas as divorced from the realization of near absolute control of the Republican party apparatus by the South.

    •  perhaps. (4+ / 0-)
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      Susan S, CParis, golconda2, h bridges

      who know how far the right wing nuts are willing to go to take him down though.

      It could be a bloodbath.  Or it could backfire on them.

      Either way it'll be fun viewing.

      You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

      by DawnG on Wed May 06, 2009 at 04:08:03 PM PDT

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    •  Popular enough amongst all voters, probably (3+ / 0-)
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      JayBat, Kimball Cross, jpfdeuce

      but amongst the wingnuts who predominate a GOP primary???

      •  yeah, the base is the issue (3+ / 0-)
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        Susan S, Kimball Cross, busymom

        The base sides with the social conservative vacuum of Tally.  Crist is much more moderate even if he's an anti-tax zealot.  

        I wouldn't think it was a national tragedy to lose the seat to Crist, but to lose the seat to Rubio or someone of that ilk in the Florida GOP would be.  The hostile, backward thinking ideologes that are so pro business that it's scary.

        The Blogs of Tampa Bay: TampaBLAB

        by jpfdeuce on Wed May 06, 2009 at 04:18:50 PM PDT

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        •  Crist (1+ / 0-)
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          can be beaten in the general if Dems pull out all the stops and go after him.  

          Please work for redistricting in Florida: http://www.fairdistrictsflorida.org/

          by Susan S on Wed May 06, 2009 at 06:49:05 PM PDT

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          •  How, susan? (0+ / 0-)

            Do you compromise all local elections to stop Charlie Crist's senate campaign?  Another "Forget the state, lets just focus on the big race!" mistake?  

            I've worked through two different campaigns where all the stops were pulled out -- for a select few.  I watched last season as, despite record turnout, every incumbent GOP legislator was re-elected as well as every partisan race in my county went to the GOP (despite Barack Obama taking the county itself).

            My question to you is this:  When does stopping a moderate at all costs trump trumping hard right elements that are control, in an uncompromising fashion, Florida's state government?

            Activists need to pick and chose their battles and not get set on the very top one.  We've lost too much ground over and over again to "pull out all the stops" on a candidate that wouldn't be as bad as his primary opponents.

            If Florida dems can throw out hard right agents in the legislature instead of beating Crist in the senate, it's a bigger victory for the day-to-day of the state.  Maybe it won't make for good posting on Daily Kos, but I'll sure take it.

            The party in this state has shown too often that it's a one-or-the-other mentality about which campaigns they get involved.  And all too often it's the wrong one.  You can argue that, but evidence in this state government is to the contrary.

            The Blogs of Tampa Bay: TampaBLAB

            by jpfdeuce on Thu May 07, 2009 at 02:24:41 PM PDT

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