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  •  Please take a look at (1+ / 0-)
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    Some of Adrian Desmond's work.

    Specifically, he has a good discussion about liberalizing trends among Victorian theologians in his biography of  TH Huxley (this book is well worth reading in and of itself). I imagine that his books that are not person-specific would have a deeper discussion of the trend.

    While this was going on in Europe, this has to be seen as a backdrop to all the other thing that were going on - including the promotion of multiple theories of evolution, of which Darwin's was one (and the most robust and useful, hence its relevance up through today).

    Backing up - I think it too simplistic to say that Darwin came along and the theologians got their backs up.  They already were having issues, and the ToE just added fuel to the fire.  That's why the Fundamentals and other tracts addressed more than just the ToE.

    Agree 100% creationism as we know it is modern.  Pretty much you can trace flood geology to the ? 30's IIRC.  The single best book about the development of creationism in the US is Ronald Numbers' The Creationists.

    Also agree with the other user about industrialization.  Several of the failed evolutionary 'theories' developed in the backdrop of industrialization and were constructed to support particular political points of view.  The Desmond book is absolutely excellent in terms of weaving the strands of history into biology.

    be ready at any moment to give up what you are for what you might become. WEB DuBois

    by sberel on Sun May 10, 2009 at 10:46:17 AM PDT

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      I'll take a look at that book.

      I've been trying to catch up on much of this because I'm wondering what the ID proponents have planned after their loss in Dover. Living in the land of the Discovery Institute makes me want to get more involved.

      Darwin certainly wasn't the only factor and there have been other literalist religious movements but he certainly has given the modern movement an issue to rally around. It isn't the sole reason as they are attacking many other branches of science/social issues as well.

      •  They are still involved (1+ / 0-)
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        You know, they opposed the Dover people.  They knew it was too early to get involved in a court case.  

        My impression is that they continue to try to get articles published, they are blogging, and they work with elected officials such as Terri Leo (far right wing member of the TX State Board of Ed) to get subtle anti-evolutionist rhetoric into curricula and standards (which is pretty much what ID reduces to in the end).

        But yah, that was a pretty big blow to them, to be sure.

        The DI, as a matter of fact (although they say it's about Darwin), organized more or less the movement against Dawkin's The Blind Watchmaker (at least at the start).  This was Phil Johnson's idea.  

        The trouble with this is that the book is not a terribly good overview of the science of evolution.  It spends more time promoting Dawkin's POV about evolution.  He's done some really good things, but this book just isn't the right basis to start a discussion about evolution from.  And so the discussion or "debate" is skewed from the very beginning and it's really hard to keep from getting bogged down in a lot of irrelevant crap.

        Get me started on DI.  Heh.  That is how I got involved in politics, over this evo/cre issue.

        be ready at any moment to give up what you are for what you might become. WEB DuBois

        by sberel on Sun May 10, 2009 at 11:09:54 AM PDT

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        •  I've been listening (1+ / 0-)
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          to their podcast. I'm amazed when they state in public that ID isn't religious when there is so much information out there from their nonpublic proclamations that refute this.

          They certainly didn't want this to go to court and many of the DI "professional witnesses" didn't even show up. Behe was crushed.

          If people want to know the current data in support of evolution--the transcripts of that case are a great place to start.

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