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  •  yes... (2+ / 0-)
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    truong son traveler, VClib

    it is a crying fucking shame that we are not going to see Bush, Cheney and the rest of the gang on trial, but at some point we have to let this go and focus on what is going on now and what we need to do in the future while we avoid the mistakes of the past.

    Next time we are being sold an enemy that we need to go to war with we need to check out who is doing the selling.

    We have to learn from the mistakes of the past, but unless something changes dramatically we are not going to see any punishment for the crimes of the Bush team.

    The large print giveth and the small print taketh away.

    by jbou on Sun May 10, 2009 at 04:52:37 PM PDT

    •  That Point Will Come (3+ / 0-)

      Over my dead body. There is no point at which we will be better off to "let this go and focus on what is going on now". This is going on now.

      The only way something will change dramatically here is for people to get involved. How many times have we heard that if we want something accomplished we have to take the responsibility to make it so?

      I'm not waiting.

      •  how old are you? (1+ / 0-)
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        truong son traveler

        I just want to know how long your fight is going to last.

        The large print giveth and the small print taketh away.

        by jbou on Sun May 10, 2009 at 05:01:57 PM PDT

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        •  That's Immaterial (1+ / 0-)
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          allenjo

          They'll cave long before then.

          •  I have my doubts (1+ / 0-)
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            VClib

            Your idea about a petition is wrong too. I don't trust mob rule.

            The large print giveth and the small print taketh away.

            by jbou on Sun May 10, 2009 at 05:05:45 PM PDT

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            •  Let Me Squash That Right There (3+ / 0-)

              This is not mob rule. The amendment would send them to trial. That means that they would go to a court just like any other suspected criminal.

              In order for them to go to court there would have to be evidence that they had committed a crime or seriously violated the Constitution. Beyond that, a large number of citizens would have to sign a petition to send them there.

              Where did you get this silly notion from?

              •  jbou posits a legit concern. (0+ / 0-)

                What about softening the fiat by majority by allowing the petition to represent The People as a friend of the court with power to bring charges, but not necessarily to trial?

                Can we think this through without allowing it to become a mob rule?  Checks and balances within the theory of your amendment?

                Experience teaches only the teachable. -Aldous Huxley // // Alberto Gonzales wore a flag pin, while shredding the constitution.-Anon.

                by DontTaseMeBro on Sun May 10, 2009 at 05:43:48 PM PDT

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                •  Sorry I meant prosecutor. I edited (1+ / 0-)
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                  Liberal Thinking

                  my comment whilst stoned.

                  Experience teaches only the teachable. -Aldous Huxley // // Alberto Gonzales wore a flag pin, while shredding the constitution.-Anon.

                  by DontTaseMeBro on Sun May 10, 2009 at 05:46:01 PM PDT

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                •  I'm Open to Suggestions (2+ / 0-)

                  That's (another reason) why I set it up as a process. But, I don't think that we will get prosecutions unless we have a direct course to them.

                  Look, this only puts them on trial. It doesn't mean they are going to be hanged. If the Justice Department beats us to it, that would be perfect, from my point of view. Then we could file a friend-of-the-court brief because there would actually be a court holding a trial to send it too. But without a trial, no brief.

                  Mob rule would be where we decided that they were guilty and put out a contract on them. I think you can see that there's a world of difference between that and what I'm proposing.

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