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  •  There were 48,000 extra votes for president only (2.66)
    that would account for a 1.7% change ONLY if they all the president only votes went for bush.  It does seem somewhat suspicious.  I think someone with a better understanding of the stats should review it.

    When your opponent is drowning, throw the son of a bitch an anvil. - James Carville

    by sgilman on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 03:50:43 PM PST

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    •  Huh? (none)
      The point is, the poster proves absnetee vote count is an extremely good predictor of the voting machine vote count.  North Carolina is heavy with E-voting and op-scan machines.

      What he is saying is that only in the presidential and Senate races, the voting machines vote margins differ vastly from the absentee totals.

      In all other races and ammendments, absentees match the machine count.

      Something is drastically wrong here.  No one can think of a reason for the Senate and Presidential race being off by so much, when all other Dem/Rep races are dead on.

      I'd say there has to be tampering here.  That or a major computer glitch.

      •  But, the computer glitch... (none)
        ...would have to be specific to the two most important races in the state, while not affecting the rest of the items voted on. That'd certainly be an odd and suspicious glitch.
        •  Yes. I believe Olbermann has been contacted (4.00)
          and hopefully the GAO.

          This is extremely suspicious.  In fact, I think this is the best case for fraud we have right now.

          It is actually sending chills down my spine!

          •  I wasn't saying its not odd (3.20)
            I was just looking to see if the votes only for president would make any difference.  That is also why I said that someone else should with experience should look at the numbers.

            When your opponent is drowning, throw the son of a bitch an anvil. - James Carville

            by sgilman on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 04:21:53 PM PST

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            •  I see. (none)
              I'm pretty sure the OP contacted the proper authorities.

              This would also make a great story for Olbermann.  I don't have cable where I am, but I hope he got this information in time for tonight's show.

            •  Ray in TX - why did you super troll rate me? (4.00)
              I was just pointing out that the votes that were only for president (votes cast for the presdential race only) DIDN'T explain the variance.   I may not have stated it very well but I'm not a troll and this is the first time I've ever been accused of being one - Just look at my posts.

              When your opponent is drowning, throw the son of a bitch an anvil. - James Carville

              by sgilman on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 09:01:25 PM PST

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              •  Perhaps I should refrase my post (none)
                I didn't imply that that was what the original poster was saying, I was just making sure that it wasn't a reason for the discrepency.

                When your opponent is drowning, throw the son of a bitch an anvil. - James Carville

                by sgilman on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 09:12:40 PM PST

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              •  Ray in TX (4.00)
                seems to be in a lousy mood tonight. He pulled the same act with me.

                His abuse of "power," such as it is, reminds me of someone else we all know -- and voted against -- who claims to be from Texas.

                Chill out, Ray. Grab yourself a cold can of Lone Star and, I dunno, curse Vinny Testaverde for throwing another interception or something.

                Spare the poor people of Crawford, Texas. Send Bush a one-way ticket to the moon instead.

                by JacksonBlogs on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 10:58:34 PM PST

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                •  I just looked at my past posts (4.00)
                  and he went on a rampage.  He troll rated a bunch of my posts for no reason.  I'm not sure why he did this but I guess I must have said something that pissed him off.  

                  Thanks for the counter troll rating.  I have done the same for you.

                  When your opponent is drowning, throw the son of a bitch an anvil. - James Carville

                  by sgilman on Fri Nov 12, 2004 at 11:27:45 PM PST

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                  •  He's A Belligerent Creep (none)
                    Who is one of the worst ratings abusers on this blog.  He has at various times declared war on the entire ratings system and indiscriminately handed out poor ratings to people in the hopes of making the system unworkable.  Needless to say, he's the first one to scream "censorship!" when he sees ratings that he considers too low on comments he agrees with.  He's also a truculent sort who loves to instigate fights.  My guess is he's tired of being driven out of Texas bars by macho Urban Cowboy types, and he compensates for his sense of shame by acting like them in cyberspace.

                    In a democracy, the people generally get the government they deserve - tant pis.

                    by JJB on Mon Nov 15, 2004 at 11:48:32 AM PST

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      •  Means Nothing (1.00)
        It means absolutely nothing.  You are all assuming people vote on party lines, they don't always.

        In Massachusetts people will go to the polls to elect a republican governor while we vote back in every democrat at the state house.  

        The fact that so many of these conspiracy theories are being based on exit polls is astounding.  They are no more scientific than a poll on a website.  On the website you have no idea if someone is actually a voter, at an exit poll likewise you have no idea if someone is actually a voter.

        •  So they vote party line on absentee ballots (none)
          and in early voting, but they don't vote party line on election day?

          Why is the governor's race exactly the same?  In fact, why are all other state-wide races the same?

          You are aware of all the stories about voting machines crashing, and giving Bush 20,000 extra votes here and there?  Is it possible that these aren't isolated incidences?

        •  It's called an exit poll b/c (none)
          It's called an "exit poll" b/c the voter is being polled as he/she leaves the polling station.  

          That is quite different than a web or telephone survey in which you have to determine how likely it is that the person will vote.

        •  Say What?! (none)
          On the website you have no idea if someone is actually a voter, at an exit poll likewise you have no idea if someone is actually a voter.

          Uh, yeah, you do! Exit polls are conducted at polling places as people leave. I've been exit polled myself and I wouldn't have been if I had just walked in off the streets. The exit pollers ask people as they are leaving the polling place. Exit polls have some problems, but to say they are no more scientific than a website survey betrays huge ignorance!

        •  you don't know what you're talking about (none)
          NOTHING here is about exit polls.

          in NC this year they had early voting,
          or "no excuses" absentee voting,
          as well as traditional absentee voting.

          I was canvassing in two counties,
          and we had great success getting
          people interested in voting early
          at the county Board of Elections office.

          this year all the early voting was huge,
          almost one third of the votes in NC.
          in almost all races the percentages were
          comparable between the early votes
          and the Election Day votes -- except
          for two races, President and Senator.

          and, the NC ballot allowed for a
          "straight party" vote -- except for
          President. we instructed our voters
          that they must vote for John Kerry and
          John Edwards separately, and then
          vote straight Democratic Party to vote
          for Erskine Bowles for Senator, Easely
          for Governor, etc.

          you would expect some ticket splitting --
          but for Senator the results seem way
          out of whack with ALL other races
          where you could vote a straight ticket.
          the percentage of split ticket voting
          here is what, 3, 5, 10 times the other
          downticket races? Incredible.

          and the discussion of NC returns has
          NOTHING to do with exit polls, as you
          would see if you had the courtesy to
          read the post before bloviating

        •  Party ID nails vote to a .90 correlation (none)
          Only party ID plus chrch going or not beats Party ID alone as a predictor of someone vote.
        •  Not True - Exit Polls not like Online Polls (none)
          I just don't believe that at exit polls "you don't know if someone is a voter"  OK, maybe someone walking out of a polling place and when asked says 'yes, I just voted' is not telling the truth - but come on!   And to say that online polls are as accurate as exit polls . . . explain yourself! I say no way that would be true.
    •  Here's a 4 to counter the troll rating (none)
      that you didn't deserve. I just hate that about this site. If you don't agree, say so! Troll rating like this is uncalled for, IMHO.

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