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  •  "Respected" does not = credible or correct (0+ / 0-)

    in Mr. Singer's world.

    Waterboarding is a perfect example.  A lawyer may personally believe that such a practice constitutes torture, but there is, at the very least, a good-faith argument to be made that it is not--as evidenced by the fact that even now non-credible respected authorities argue that this is not torture.

    This is a perfect example of opinion devoid of facts.

    Waterboarding is torture. There are no grey areas here. It's against the law, it violates our treaties and we have always known it to be for what it is: torture.

    To suggest otherwise, does not mean one is making a "good faith argument." Not by a long stretch either. Suggesting that torture, is "not torture," means one is being dishonest; or it means one is displaying the depths (heights?) of their extreme ignorance.  This is not a area of good faith disagreement. It is legally and factually bulletproof -- there is no debate.

    There can be a "good faith" debate about whether we should torture.  And, by "good faith," I mean some people might be legitimately foolish enough to actually think that it's in their best interest to be a torturer. However, that is different than claiming that tortureboarding/waterboarding is anything other than what it is.  It is torture. It is illegal. There is no gray area, particularly for (honest) attorneys

    Singer's quote about "respected authorities" claiming that torture is not torture is pure horseshit. His authorities may be "respected," but there are no credible authorities who support this bogus sophistry. There certainly are no "authorities," who understand the laws against torture, who would ever take that position.  

    There is no good faith argument about the meaning of torture. The only argument taking place right now (although sometimes it is disguised as an "is it or isn't it" debate), is the argument over whether we need to be torturers. That is also a losing argument.

    sláinte,

    cl

    Religion is like sodomy: both can be harmless when practiced between consenting adults but neither should be imposed upon children.

    by Caoimhin Laochdha on Mon May 11, 2009 at 12:49:08 PM PDT

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