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  •  Very good points re utopia. (2+ / 0-)
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    beachmom, SweetLittleOkie

    I have a lot of family in Canada, and they certainly gripe about their health care system too.

    However, they never say they'd rather have our system.  Never.  They think we're pretty much barbaric when it comes to health care.

    They tortured people to get false confessions to fraudulently justify our invading Iraq.

    by Kaili Joy Gray on Mon May 11, 2009 at 10:37:09 AM PDT

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    •  when it comes to delivery of health care (0+ / 0-)

      and access to health care.  We still have the best health care in the world if you can afford it.

      "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

      by Skeptical Bastard on Mon May 11, 2009 at 11:49:16 AM PDT

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      •  No, we really don't. (0+ / 0-)

        They tortured people to get false confessions to fraudulently justify our invading Iraq.

        by Kaili Joy Gray on Mon May 11, 2009 at 12:57:13 PM PDT

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        •  I don't buy the WHO criteria (0+ / 0-)

          Have you ever read this report?  First off, it is from 2000.

          Secondly, its criteria is based more on distribution and "fairness in contribution" than anything else.

          That said, those are the things I mentioned where we fall short.  We do need to improve those areas.

          However, I would still argue that when you have access to all health care in the US, you have the best outcomes.

          I sure as hell would rather have cancer in the US than in the UK.  You have nearly a 20% greater chance of survival here in the US, despite their universal health care.  The WHO report rates the US #1 in "responsiveness", yet weights that category one eighth while "financial fairness" carries a weight of one fourth of the total score.

          "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - G. Marx

          by Skeptical Bastard on Mon May 11, 2009 at 01:37:33 PM PDT

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