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  •  I could have read it wrong. (0+ / 0-)

    but then my question is what does Radical mean here? The term "collectivism" is still floating out there. What specifically does he mean?

    •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

      That's a question that only radical can supply the answer to.

      •  oops...I posted to volleyboy's initial question (0+ / 0-)

        rather than further down the thread here, thus putting my response out of context...sorry about that.

        Anyway, one thing I forgot to include...

        If you look at "Libertarian" propaganda, they use the term "collectivism" a lot.

        It's basically interchangeable with what most conservatives call "socialism", pretty much.

        The notion of actual real democracy, in other words, where the resources are allocated according to the public interest, rather than by the chaos of unbridled criminal, anti-social, capitalist greed.

        "...a printing press is worth 10,000 rifles..." Ho Chi Minh

        by Radical def on Wed May 13, 2009 at 03:12:48 PM PDT

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        •  Sorry at work so it is hard to respond (2+ / 0-)
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          Terra Mystica, Radical def

          although I read your response to me before. Thanks for that. I agree with some of your ideas but, would like to discuss further at a time when I can think coherently (as I cannot do a work - although somehow I am good at my job - go figure). The question and determinant is - Who defines the Public good? Anyway - thanks for taking the time to go through this - I look forward to discussing it with you soon (hopefully later tonight).

        •  Yes (3+ / 0-)

          I think your discription of the misuse of the term collectivism by so-called libertarians is spot on. Essentially they classify anything beyond the police functions of government as collectivism/socialism/communism. It would be pathetic if it were'nt so destructive.

          •  Yeah...pretty "radical", heh (0+ / 0-)

            An insidious tendency, really, because much of their rationale is kinda easy to fall for...they do often have some seemingly fairly "liberal" (ie: permissive, actually) social perspectives, on the surface, and some valid critique of the problems with beaurocracy, overly centralized government, etc...

            But then they go completely off the deep end, extrapolating that insanely...and the deeper you get into their perspective, the crazier it gets.  

            And they do get a lot of traction with their constant rabid assertions of anti-communism/anti-socialism, which does tend to appeal to a lot of people who don't have a clue.

            Most offensive of all, though, is the very prevalent, very strong social darwinist perspective, that anyone who can't "compete" successfully should eat shit and die, because they are just a drag on society.  Their whole criteria for "success" is personal individual profit, over and above anything else, and totally against any notion of a broader "collective" public interest.  

            Ultra-individualism, and elitism, as a supposed root American value.  

            It's very annoying to have them calling themselves "anarchists", to an old school anarcho-communist like myself, heh, and to see naive, or disingenuous elements accept that definition of anarchy, which is, after all, a communist tendency, which actually calls for democracy, now, instead of elite rule of Any stripe, even for an "interim" period of "Socialism".


            "...a printing press is worth 10,000 rifles..." Ho Chi Minh

            by Radical def on Wed May 13, 2009 at 05:01:24 PM PDT

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