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  •  committing suicide? (0+ / 1-)
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    drama queen. israel w/its hundreds of nukes. go read the hasbara handbook under the laws of propaganda re 'fear'. on a one to 10 scale what are the chances hamas can kill all the jews? about  negative100. suicide? double yawn

    I think the P.A. is making very reasonable requests of Israel as a pre-cursor to negotiations. Hmmm, how does that work with your theories?

    the PA, you mean the president whose elected office is in the past tense? well i think if palestinians had a say in which israelis they would be negotiating with there would a strong possibility  of israel making very reasonable requests of palestininas as a pre-cursor to negotiations. that's how that works w/my theories.

    •  The "Hasbara Handbook" hmmmm. (2+ / 0-)
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      what is that pray tell. Actually that is the second time someone has mentioned that on this site. The last was a serious anti-semite (anti-Jew). What is this book? Seriously.

      •  just google (0+ / 0-)

        hasbara handbook, it will be the first link. read about errant equivilants and point scoring. it is passed out by groups Defending Israel on Campus. it trains a person how to argue. here "How to score points whilst avoiding debate". there are many tactics just for diversion. obviously not everyone using those talking pts are engaging in propaganda on purpose. but certain narratives get picked up and then become mainstream. they are show stoppers. an errant equivilant is taking one situation and imposing the narrative on another so the reader will come to the same conclusion, except the circumstances are not applicable. the book teachs you how to do this as a form of argument.

        the whole purpose is to drag out a conversation without resolving anything, like ad hominem attacks which it also advocates. all these things hinder solutions and just make a 'winner' in a debate rather than actually finding common ground which is what people of good faith do.

        so if you read the book you can make sure NOT to use those slogans and tactics.

        just because someone who could be a racist points out a technique is from the handbook doesn't mean it isn't true. definitely read the 7 rules of propaganda. but i recommend the whole thing. the rhetoric is unmistakable here, all over the place. but you arn't one of them as i can tell from your ideas. nonetheless the idea of 'push for extinction' is over the top and they say things like this all the time.

      •  It is Zannie and others' conspiracy theory (2+ / 1-)
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        that all of us Jewish, pro-Israel posters are using tactics from some handbook of tactics to disrupt conversations.

        Or at least that's what I've gotten from Zannie's posts as I patently refuse to go read it.

        •  proof? (0+ / 0-)

          that all of us Jewish, pro-Israel posters are using tactics from some handbook of tactics to disrupt conversations.

          all???? proof? you cannot even prove i accuse volleyboy of this can you?

          and you refuse to read it. lol, and that somehow supports your argument?

          denial should be your middle name.

    •  HR CT repeated pattern of it nt (2+ / 1-)
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      •  explain? (0+ / 0-)

        is it against the dkos rules to repeat something? what is CT?

        •  People have explained this one to you before (2+ / 1-)
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          CT = conspiracy theory.  It is a conspiracy theory to keep posting over and over again how Jewish posters are taking directions from some Hasbara handbook most of us here had never even heard of till you posted it at DKos.  You've got one wild imagination if you think that's what's going on.  

          There is not some secret society of Jews plotting to interrupt conversations here, so give it a rest.  It's ugly, unnecessary and most importantly false.

          •  wrong (0+ / 0-)

            It is a conspiracy theory to keep posting over and over again how Jewish posters are taking directions

            i did not suggested he was was taking directions. i mentioned what he was saying was in the book. in fact 2 hrs before you posted i posted this:

            obviously not everyone using those talking pts are engaging in propaganda on purpose. but certain narratives get picked up and then become mainstream.

            and this:

            but you arn't one of them as i can tell from your ideas. nonetheless the idea of 'push for extinction' is over the top and they say things like this all the time.

            volleyboy1 actually moves thru ideas, not the same as spamming a diary. furthermore it is rather amusing you call it a 'conspiracy theory' when the first thing on the top of the World Union of Jewish Students website is "join our rapid response network' with a link to giyus (download megaphone) w/the goal of having '100,000's" of bloggers for israel. one would have to be daft to think they wouldn't be on the most trafficed political blog in the US, or post on the I/P diaries. thats common sense. there is a conspiracy all right, and you can read all about it in their instruction manual.

            furthermore the instruction book is not just for

            Jewish posters

            . it is for supporters of israel, which could be christian zionists for all i know. or karl rove, or anyone w/the agenda of pt scoring for israel, ad hominem, strawmaning it or any of the other distraction devices continually used by the anything isreal crowd, which is not exclusively jewish by any means.

            go ahead, HR me. i don't care. you're just protecting a propaganda device because it serves your ptv. justifying it as 'conspiracy' when you know damn well i have provided links.

          •  PS (0+ / 0-)

            speaking of conspiracy theories i brought up the fear tactic because volleyboy1 alleged israel "committing suicide" was an option for me! what is that but CT? and how many times do we hear crazy crap like that? bwwwwahhh. i called him a drama queen. here is what i said

            drama queen. israel w/its hundreds of nukes. go read the hasbara handbook under the laws of propaganda re 'fear'.

            this is programming. anyone can be raised w/this constant paranoid programing. i am here in good faith, i defended my position after being accused of supporting israel suiciding itself.

            take your paranoid delusion position steeped in DENIAL and see who exactly was engaging in a conspiracy theory in this exchange, cause it sure as hell wasn't me. my directing him to read a link was supported by the reality at the links.

            fuck megaphone, fuck the instructional manual. rapid responder DO conspire. that is not a theory, that is fact.

            •  I will not be engaging with any argument (0+ / 0-)

              you have for promoting this conspiracy.

              •  lol, you mean "committing suicide" (0+ / 0-)

                that's a relief!

              •  btw (0+ / 0-)

                outing something is not promoting it. it is exposing it. you don't like it? write the people who produce it. call people out when they use false allegations, ad hominems, the bandwagon effect, false narratives and every other trick IN THE BOOK.

                •  In the interest of exposing (0+ / 0-)

                  what could at best be termed an "obsession" but appears to be something darker and more sinister given some of these posts make direct accusations (like calling Karmafish a "hasbara specialist" in example #8), make allusions to some sort of point scoring like there is an Uncle ZOG door prize or something, and insinuate that pro Israel posts from newspaper sites to blogs are manipulated for dark propagandist purpose by Teh Eevul Ziobarafone™.

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                  Sweet, innocent zannie.  It's a shame you would be HR'd for simply exposing this deep, dark, secret cabal since you would never accuse anyone of being an operative or anything.

                  If you lived here, you would be home now!

                  by arielle on Sun May 17, 2009 at 11:34:47 AM PDT

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