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  •  Please don't judge in that way (8+ / 0-)

    Implying that anyone who follows his/her own conscience is not a "true" Catholic sounds like Scalia or Gibson.

    When you tell the wife of an HIV-infected African husband that she must submit to sex without condoms and have babies without birth control, that's not Catholic doctrine in any sense of the word.

    Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.

    by MrMichaelMT on Thu May 14, 2009 at 03:49:44 AM PDT

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    •  I didn't judge negatively. (0+ / 0-)

      I just reported a fact.

      He reports that he is now an atheist who does not adhere to the Apostle's Creed. In particular, he rejects that Jesus is the Son of God (he uses the term "deific scion"), he rejects the Virgin Birth, and he rejects the Ascension.

      He is perfectly free to follow his conscience.  But if that is what he believes, then he is not a Catholic. What's so hard to understand about that?

      It's like somebody who says he always supports the Republicans, always works for the Republicans, and always votes for the Republicans, but insists he is still a Democrat because he was raised in a family of Democrats. You can say whatever you want, but you can't always have it both ways.

      •  Read more carefully. (1+ / 0-)
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        I did not say I am now an atheist...

        Peace will not be the end, unless peace is the means.

        by epjmcginley on Thu May 14, 2009 at 10:06:00 AM PDT

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        •  I understand. And commented on that above. (1+ / 0-)
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          •  It is a rough spot for me, (2+ / 0-)
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            because I personally reject atheism, and my brief stint as an atheist is something I am not particularly proud of. More over, it was reactionary, and I reject reactionary behavior as much as any mode available.

            We all evolve to some degree. I do claim my Catholicism, until I am formally notified of my excommunication.

            Peace will not be the end, unless peace is the means.

            by epjmcginley on Thu May 14, 2009 at 10:20:34 AM PDT

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            •  Forgive the presumption, but it just (1+ / 0-)
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              occurred to me that your stance reminds me of the old idea that God prefers an angry antagonist to a lukewarm supporter.

              From my perspective, from the human, church perspective, I don't think you're still "Catholic."

              But of course I also don't think God cares about that all that much.

              Incidentally, the latest issue of Newsweek had a wonderful story about Huston Smith, the great expert on world religions, who is now 90 and coming out with his 14th book. His The World's Religions is considered the greatest book on religious studies in the last 50 years. His basic premise is that inside, all the great religions are the same. Although I'm a faithful Catholic on the one hand, I've also always believed that as well. I know devout Muslims, and Sikhs, and Jews, and Buddhists--and I've always thought the quality of devotion was the same. There is a Buddhist garden in a museum in Washington, D.C. (can't remember where at the moment) that has a distinct "loud silence" from centuries of meditation (it has many very old statues). That's not Christian, of course: but it genuinely touches the soul.

              •  You sum up my feelings very well. (2+ / 0-)
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                I cannot help but think there is something very valuable to us about this common feeling. I sometimes see friends who struggle mightily, whether because they were without religion as a child, or had a very bad experience of it. I think that I have been inoculated in some way against all of that angst. I do not accept everything I was taught as a child, but having been taught it has equipped me in a very effective way to live a life of faith and hope and charity and confidence, not in some particular outcome, but in the appropriateness of the outcome as it is.

                Peace will not be the end, unless peace is the means.

                by epjmcginley on Thu May 14, 2009 at 10:48:52 AM PDT

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