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  •  Higher pay (3+ / 0-)
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    should attract better teaching candidates to begin with. I know that pay and benefits can differ wildly across regions, but this is what we've got where I am:

    - A city that is very expensive to live in
    - Teacher starting salaries around $40,000
    - With 10 years' experience, your salary goes up only $4000
    - Not much in the way of benefits or pension

    We're not asking for the moon, just a salary that people can fairly be expected to live on. By that I mean: eventually buy a modest house or condo; drive a modest car; have decent healthcare; etc. - the basics. $40,000 might go a long way in rural areas, but it absolutely is not a comfortable living here.

    Higher pay is also a powerful sign that your job is respected. I said this above, but what's more important than educating our kids?

    •  Other teachers in my world.. (0+ / 0-)

      ..both former and current, tell me there is one other reason teacher pay is low- enough people who get into the profession do so because of the summer time off and are willing to make the tradeoff between that schedule and higher pay. Or because they love to teach so much that they'll do it even though the pay is low. Somehow, there seem to be plenty of teachers even given the lower pay rates. Kind of like the situation with regional airline pilots currently in the news- the love of flying seems to be inducing people to fly passengers around for $18K a year in their spare time between other jobs.

      Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

      by billmosby on Fri May 15, 2009 at 06:36:31 AM PDT

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      •  really not true for most teachers (0+ / 0-)

        and one reason why many leave the career so early -  because they cannot afford to have a family on what a teacher gets paid.

        second, the hourly rate for the hours actually worked - which include far more than the hours one is in school - is lower than most other jobs with comparable educational requirements and responsibilities

        As far as the great myth of the time off -  for many teachers it really doesn't exist.  They may have to work additional jobs to pay bills.  IT may be the only time they can take the courses they need to maintain their teaching credentials.

        Oh, and after almost 10 months of 70+ hour weeks, they need time to recuperate, and maybe tend to house and yard and family needs.

        do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

        by teacherken on Fri May 15, 2009 at 07:23:37 AM PDT

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        •  I know it's not. (0+ / 0-)

          But it doesn't take too many to keep the wages low for everybody. If there were a teacher shortage, they'd be paid more. In my humble opinion, of course. And even in my little tutoring job, I know about the unpaid hours, having to brush up on quite a few subjects as I go. I have heard all of this from my sister, who has been teaching in Boise for over 30 years. But she loves it anyway and keeps on doing it.

          Moderation in most things. Except Reactors. IFR forever!

          by billmosby on Fri May 15, 2009 at 08:16:10 AM PDT

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