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  •  Actually (0+ / 0-)

    The NRA publishes stories of just that, called The Armed Citizen.

    There is no goal in the "War on Drugs" that couldn't be more effectively met by legalization & regulation.

    by EthrDemon on Fri May 22, 2009 at 11:14:23 AM PDT

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    •  And if you compare those anecdotes to (0+ / 0-)

      stats of people shooting themselves you learn why I use the term "anecdotal"

      That was a setup on my part.

      "If you can't do something smart, do something right."--Serenity

      by Maimonides on Fri May 22, 2009 at 11:16:58 AM PDT

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      •  and if you look at the 80k (1+ / 0-)
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        to 3 MILLION people who have defended themselves with a firearm (statistics that vary because they don't get reported as often) without firing a shot...

        Abolish gun control, marriage, and helmet laws. -7.00, -3.79

        by KVoimakas on Fri May 22, 2009 at 11:18:44 AM PDT

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      •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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        I don't particularly care about people "shooting themselves."  The law doesn't exist to protect you from yourself.  Self-inflicted gunshot woulds, be they suicide or accidental discharge, should not be the rationale behind the law.

        There is no goal in the "War on Drugs" that couldn't be more effectively met by legalization & regulation.

        by EthrDemon on Fri May 22, 2009 at 11:19:33 AM PDT

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        •  Yeah, but you didn't grow up in a town (1+ / 0-)
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          that was sick with gun violence like a plague.  My best friend shot himself through the spine when we were 10, lost the use of all limbs but one arm that he could barely control, sweated uncontrollably down one side his body for the rest of his life, and no control of evacuation.

          And then the two kids who played Russian Roulette and died, and the kid hunting the principal in the halls.

          I'm emotional about this.  I admit it.

          "If you can't do something smart, do something right."--Serenity

          by Maimonides on Fri May 22, 2009 at 11:22:17 AM PDT

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          •  Well: (2+ / 0-)
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            That is an argument for better gun training. Not more gun laws. It seems like if more people were aware of gun safety, and were aware of the need to keep guns away from people who don't know how to use them, then that would address this problem.

            •  We all had NRA certificates :) (0+ / 0-)

              It was quite a popular course.  But yes, this brings us back to the "WTF is wrong with Americans that we keep shooting each other?"

              "If you can't do something smart, do something right."--Serenity

              by Maimonides on Fri May 22, 2009 at 11:41:14 AM PDT

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          •  So... (3+ / 0-)
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            The owners of the guns those kids got a hold of should all have been arrested for negligence.  Part of being a responsible gun owner is storing that firearm so that it can't be used by those incapable of operating it lawfully.

            For the record, I live near the middle of Milwaukee, and we see our fair share of gun violence, most of it by rival gang members.

            There is no goal in the "War on Drugs" that couldn't be more effectively met by legalization & regulation.

            by EthrDemon on Fri May 22, 2009 at 11:40:14 AM PDT

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          •  the combination of kids and alcohol (1+ / 0-)
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            produces tragedies of similar proportion, but this does not necessarily support an argument for a prohibition.  I gather from upthread that you do not advocate a prohibition on firearm ownership rights and instead take the personal view that firearms are more far more destructive than potentially constructive and therefore the ideal case would be no firearms within a society.  

            If that is a fair summary of your POV, then that is an opinion to which you are fairly entitled, and one by the way to which I disagree but can respect.  

            As a supporter of the views of this diary, my objection to much of the criticism I've seen at this site is far more extremist,demagogic, insulting and dangerously illiberal -- permitting no possibility of a principled alternative.

            Rome is burning ... put down the fiddle.

            by ancblu on Fri May 22, 2009 at 11:43:51 AM PDT

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