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  •  Its important to add why... (2+ / 0-)
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    utopia, MnplsLiberal

    some context.. single payer saves so much that it cuts through the cost issues like butter..

    But, nothing else works.. Public optional might have some huge problems as its being promoted, the biggest one is the inherent costs of treating the sick - this isn;t profitable, increasing the number of sick will make it cost more, not less.. This causes the classic death spiral as premiums rise to address the lack of funds. Those who have other, cheaper options will fleee to the cheaper private plans..

    This is how they will kill what they will call "universal health care" (because it will be guaranteed issue) and further marginalize the ill..



    by Andiamo on Sun May 24, 2009 at 08:06:39 AM PDT

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    •  The problem is not so much the tactics but how (0+ / 0-)

      we as a nation view this issue. That became very real and apparently clear to me when I received a thank you note from a mother who's child I had helped care for a year and a half ago when I was working in pediatrics home health care wrote me to say her son had died. It wasn't donuts and dollars but the way in which we view the business. There it was day to day real life and not about dollars and cents. That issue must be seperated from the debate.

      I get along just fine with God. It's his fan club I have significant problems with.

      by utopia on Sun May 24, 2009 at 08:22:26 AM PDT

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      •  Where? (0+ / 0-)

        Debate in our society occurs primarily in the commercial media.

        They are protected by our sole purpose-built corporate right, freedom of the press, to promote their agenda. They're under no obligation to inform the public or promote the public's agendas.

        We can have the best discussion in the world in our private living rooms, in a government park before a few hundred people, or here on a blog for a few hundred thousand.

        But that's it. Under our system, most of the informing is done by the corporations and they're protected in setting the agenda and choosing the participants.

        I don't see how we can have much to say in the debate.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Sun May 24, 2009 at 08:51:31 AM PDT

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        •  We can have a major say without speaking a word (0+ / 0-)

          It's called a ballot box and may be used despite media and pundits trying to phrase things their way. Politicians despite being corrupt are mainly uncanny survivors. It might take a view elections but they are quick to see voter trends provided the voters don't let them forget.

          I get along just fine with God. It's his fan club I have significant problems with.

          by utopia on Sun May 24, 2009 at 09:00:04 AM PDT

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        •  You are thinking like the commercial media... (0+ / 0-)

          that is certainly not the only legitimate debate, and many of us actually consider the corporate owned media to be illegitimate. Pay more attention and focus on enhancing citizen and resident debate in America. That is the truly legitimate debate.

          •  Although I agree with what you say about (1+ / 0-)
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            corporate media and the egotistical whores they are, if you are talking to me about your cat's flea infestation while I am worried about my sick mother, it won't be long before I tell you shave the damn critter. Certain issues a paramount in one's life, in blaming it all on the media you are giving away your power. I sure as hell don't waste my time with Nancy Grace, but those who decide this makes them more aware of the issue of crime in America are allowing the media to direct their focus. Not me.

            I get along just fine with God. It's his fan club I have significant problems with.

            by utopia on Sun May 24, 2009 at 09:10:00 AM PDT

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