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  •  There's a lot of eye of the beholder there, (0+ / 0-)

    Especially when you remember that the first woman to serve on the Supreme Court was a GOP nominee, the first African-American Secretary of State -- and the first Aafrican-American Woman to be Secretary of State - were both GOP cabinet members.
    Or the first Latino Attorney General.
    Or the first Governor of Indian descent.
    Or even Jeb Bush's latina wife and, sigh, Michael Steele.

    And ---

    I don't think it was GOPers who did all those nasty political cartoons portraying Condaleeza Rice as an Aunt Jemimah stereotype, or Clarence Thomas as a lawn jockey.

    Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

    by dinotrac on Thu May 28, 2009 at 07:26:15 AM PDT

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    •  The implication (1+ / 0-)
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      What you seem to be saying is that liberals are racists and that Republicans have done more to advance the interests of people of color and women than liberals.  

      Is that accurate?  

      The lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience.

      by otto on Thu May 28, 2009 at 07:28:09 AM PDT

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      •  That is your level of logic? Seriously? (0+ / 0-)

        Try reading what I am saying instead of trying to make up something that I seem to be saying.

        There is more to life than extremes.

        Somebody said republicans are racists, etc, I challenged that assertion and included a couple of examples that demonstrate racism is not the exclusive purview of any one group.

        Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

        by dinotrac on Thu May 28, 2009 at 07:33:43 AM PDT

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        •  Oops. I replied to me (0+ / 0-)

          Just so you can see how someone might read your comment and think that's what you're saying.

          Republicans have done more to advance the interests of people of color and women than liberals.  

           

           Especially when you remember that the first woman to serve on the Supreme Court was a GOP nominee, the first African-American Secretary of State -- and the first Aafrican-American Woman to be Secretary of State - were both GOP cabinet members.
             Or the first Latino Attorney General.
             Or the first Governor of Indian descent.
             Or even Jeb Bush's latina wife and, sigh, Michael Steele.

          liberals are racists

           

          I don't think it was GOPers who did all those nasty political cartoons portraying Condaleeza Rice as an Aunt Jemimah stereotype, or Clarence Thomas as a lawn jockey.

          The lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience.

          by otto on Thu May 28, 2009 at 07:38:06 AM PDT

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      •  Quoted (0+ / 0-)

        Republicans have done more to advance the interests of people of color and women than liberals.  

        Especially when you remember that the first woman to serve on the Supreme Court was a GOP nominee, the first African-American Secretary of State -- and the first Aafrican-American Woman to be Secretary of State - were both GOP cabinet members.
        Or the first Latino Attorney General.
        Or the first Governor of Indian descent.
        Or even Jeb Bush's latina wife and, sigh, Michael Steele.

        liberals are racists

        I don't think it was GOPers who did all those nasty political cartoons portraying Condaleeza Rice as an Aunt Jemimah stereotype, or Clarence Thomas as a lawn jockey.

        The lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging and kicking them into obedience.

        by otto on Thu May 28, 2009 at 07:36:48 AM PDT

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    •  And yet (0+ / 0-)

      their actual policies and commentary coming from the bulk of their party towards anyone but the rare exception of a minority republican is pretty much anti-minority if not outright racist/sexist/etc.

      •  Now that's a very different thing, isn't it? (0+ / 0-)

        I know absolutely that there are racists in the GOP, the way I know absolutely that there racist Democrats in South Boston.

        But that doesn't mean Democrats are racist.  Just that some racists are Democrats.  So are some weekend softball players and Trekkers, etc.

        As to policies being anti-minority, that's also in the eye of the beholder.  If you believe that attaining and building wealth is the best way to break the cycle of poverty, you might conclude that the GOP is the party whose policies have the most to offer minorities.

        At the moment, I don't much care for either party, but will take a sine to whomever stops the growing unemployment and lights the jobs fuse.

        That'll be good for everyone.

        Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

        by dinotrac on Thu May 28, 2009 at 07:40:26 AM PDT

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    •  There's some truth to that (2+ / 0-)
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      Bush, particularly, was incredibly color-blind.

      However, the GOP is the party of the Southern Strategy. That taints them, unfortunately, in ways that have no mirror on the Left. Much of their reputation is by choice, and has only become problematic for them as demographics shift.

      To quote Rush: "They're only 13%, who cares?". There's no misinterpreting that.

      "Karl Rove giving Dems advice is the DEFINITION of 'Concern Troll'" - punkdavid

      by Darkmoth on Thu May 28, 2009 at 07:34:52 AM PDT

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      •  Yes. The GOP has definitely played racial (0+ / 0-)

        politics -- and so have the Democrats.

        That reliable African-American vote has given them more than a few elections.

        I don't fault them for that, btw.

        Incidently, do you know who enacted (by Executive Order) Affirmative Action more or less as we know it today?

        Hint: It wasn't LBJ.
        Second hint:  It wasn't a Democrat.

        Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

        by dinotrac on Thu May 28, 2009 at 07:44:09 AM PDT

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        •  racial politics (0+ / 0-)

          means one thing when people pretend they love you (Dems to AAs) and another when people pretend they don't (GOP to AAs). Certainly the latter is more likely to be called "racist" than the former, and with better justification.

          I don't know who enacted Affirmative Action, but in the context of the "racist" label of the GOP, it's irrelevant. As we both seem to agree, they cultivated that label.

          "Karl Rove giving Dems advice is the DEFINITION of 'Concern Troll'" - punkdavid

          by Darkmoth on Thu May 28, 2009 at 07:54:14 AM PDT

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          •  FWIW -- (0+ / 0-)

            LBJ enacted the first policies that used the term "Affirmative Action", but his approach was based on best efforts, with no goals.

            The modern goal-based (or, to some, quota based) was enacted by Richard M. Nixon.

            Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

            by dinotrac on Thu May 28, 2009 at 07:58:46 AM PDT

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            •  An interesting tidbit (1+ / 0-)
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              and I think it's important to distinguish between the pre-Atwater GOP and the post-Atwater GOP.

              It's also important to reiterate that GWB made significant contributions to African nations, something he is not widely credited for. On the other hand, there was the whole "black baby" thing with McCain. GWB was (to my mind) no racist, he simply played for the votes of racists.

              "Karl Rove giving Dems advice is the DEFINITION of 'Concern Troll'" - punkdavid

              by Darkmoth on Thu May 28, 2009 at 08:05:31 AM PDT

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              •  Broad brushes usually splatter paint (1+ / 0-)
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                where it doesn't belong.

                I agree, however, that some GOP strategies have been, ummmm, well...

                OTOH, I wouldn't say that Democrats were any better towards Sarah Palin.

                Free speech? Yeah, I've heard of that. Have you?

                by dinotrac on Thu May 28, 2009 at 08:08:54 AM PDT

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                •  I'd agree about Palin (1+ / 0-)
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                  and include Clinton. Sexism is not as obvious as racism, but far far more pervasive and subtle.

                  "Karl Rove giving Dems advice is the DEFINITION of 'Concern Troll'" - punkdavid

                  by Darkmoth on Thu May 28, 2009 at 09:54:48 AM PDT

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