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  •  And I make the point that it should (1+ / 0-)
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    be investigated. Clearly, if that's the case it would change things. Regardless of what's in that report, it clearly wasn't compelling enough to put Rummy on trial, right? And I state explicitly that that aspect of this thing should be investigated, the possibility that it was endemic as opposed to random. Thus far, no one has been able to prove that. And if this situation contributes to that revelation, there is no reason why it wouldn't come out in the context of a jury trial of those depicted in the photos, with the proper handling and privacy for the victims with respect to the evidence in that trial.

    My whole argument is that we should be focusing on the top level of this thing, not making a huge story out of the low-level players.

    Because if we do, it will end there.

    Dance like no one is watching with one fist in the air... We are stronger than everything they have taught us that we should fear.

    by Surly Cracker on Thu May 28, 2009 at 11:25:34 AM PDT

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    •  "Thus far, no one has been able to prove that." (1+ / 0-)
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      That's where you're wrong.  The Taguba report proved it years ago.  The Levin report proves it too.  Testimony by guards proves it.  There is no doubt this was formal policy.  Read those reports, then update your diary.

      •  Why no trials, then? (0+ / 0-)

        Others in this diary would tell you it's because there's not been enough "public pressure."  

        Yeah, because that works great in a non-election year.

        If there is proof, and if it can be traced back up the ladder to the ones who crafted the policy, great. The legal system will get there, slowly and methodically.  

        My point is that releasing the photos is not an integral part of getting us to that point, and could even hurt.

        Dance like no one is watching with one fist in the air... We are stronger than everything they have taught us that we should fear.

        by Surly Cracker on Thu May 28, 2009 at 12:12:44 PM PDT

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        •  That is a terrific question... (1+ / 0-)
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          here is my answer, the power protect the powerful.  And until the public creates an environment where this is unacceptable, as opposed to creating an environment legitimizing it because their party is in will continue.

          "Rules must be binding. Violations must be punished. Words must mean something." - President Barack Obama, April 5, 2009

          by justmy2 on Thu May 28, 2009 at 01:26:08 PM PDT

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        •  I think there's pressure from all sides to bury (0+ / 0-)

          this issue, both due to complicity (or lack of oversight) from Congress, and because high-level people are rarely ever prosecuted.  It's also hugely embarrassing to the DoD and CIA, and there is essentially no Republican support for investigations, much less prosecutions.  The Obama administration clearly views prosecutions as politically inconvenient.

          I disagree with you about the photos, because public pressure on Congress can make a difference...and the 2010 election campaigns have already started.  Most people don't and won't read a long, technical, obtuse report about torture and abuse...but readily understand the truth that a photo conveys.  That truth exists even in cases where the particulars of the photo are misleading (as with the iconic hooded prisoner with "electric wires" attached to his hands).  Making the photos public in no way impedes their evidentiary use, although an argument could be made that any such publicity might bias a jury.  That cow however, has long since left the barn.

          Even apart from prosecutions, it's important for the government to be as open as possible so as to appear not to be hiding the issue.  This has severe ramifications for conduct by our opponents in future wars, and in our relationships with other countries - some of whom will no longer extradite to the US because of torture, and are far more careful about what intelligence they share with us.

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