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  •  not convinced (2+ / 0-)
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    Surly Cracker, amazinggrace

    Since I too have mixed feelings about releasing the photos, I read your post carefully. In the end I cannot agree with your reasoning.

    First, the separation you draw cannot be supported. The torture was the result of the orders from the top, even if they didn't order each instance specifically. They turned this tiger loose, and this is what happens when you do. That's one reason the military is (usually) so strictly against torture: once you start enabling the sadists they always go farther than you originally anticipated. So the military keeps strict controls in place. The point is, the individual instances are inextricably linked with the official policy.

    Second, (as has been well stated already) DOING the torture created the recruiting tool for the terrorists. Fixing the problem takes away the recruiting tool. Not fixing the problem gives them a continuing recruiting tool.

    We have heard about a couple of outrageous acts that are shown in the photos. But what else is shown? If there are photos that show people shackled in stress positions, maybe we can get the press to quit giving the torturers a free pass on the "sleep deprivation" meme. The noise machine now gets to dismiss sleep deprivation as if it means we didn't let them sleep in on Sunday morning. It's a little harder to dismiss when you understand it's really a cover for shackling them in stress positions for days on end.

    I'm in agreement with cacamp, photos have great power to convince, and to move public opinion. In fact my own reservations about releasing them stems from this fact. However, I can't agree with you that releasing them will distract from the people at the top. I'm sensing that the torture issue has momentum now. Once these photos get out--officially or otherwise--I predict it will create a tipping point and there will be no turning back.  

    •  I hope that's the case. (1+ / 0-)
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      amazinggrace

      I would be glad to be proved wrong, I just worry that a culture that's so focused on individuals, on personalities, would turn this thing into yet another distraction. I want these people to be prosecuted. I just think the media will focus on the individual crimes, rather than the context in which they were committed, because that seems to be their pattern. It's easier to write stories that way, and I don't think the catharsis that some people will feel if there's a couple convictions of bit players is healthy. I want people to be outraged, but I want them outraged at the people who caused this, not those who participated in it.

      Dance like no one is watching with one fist in the air... We are stronger than everything they have taught us that we should fear.

      by Surly Cracker on Thu May 28, 2009 at 12:04:48 PM PDT

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      •  then keep the pressure on (2+ / 0-)
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        Surly Cracker, amazinggrace

        because we aren't yet at the point that anyone is going to get prosecuted.

        I'm old enough to remember Watergate. Many of us knew Nixon was a crook even before he took office. It took several years of drip, drip, drip, more information coming out every day. In the end even the Republicans told him he had to go.

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