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  •  Actually it was photographic and video (0+ / 0-)

    evidence that were critical to bringing an end to many of those atrocities...

    but that doesn't fit into your point, so I guess it shouldn't matter.

    "Rules must be binding. Violations must be punished. Words must mean something." - President Barack Obama, April 5, 2009

    by justmy2 on Thu May 28, 2009 at 01:22:59 PM PDT

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      Your premise is untrue. The atrocities against Native Americans continued unabated with no real public outcry. Slavery ended when Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation to cripple the south during the civil war. The abolitionist movement did not end it. Lynching & Jim Crow laws continued unabated without a huge public outcry. Whites traded lynching postcards with one another. Images of them having picnics under swinging black bodies. Japanese citizens where not released from interment camps until the end of WW11 & Roosevelt was never prosecuted for war crimes. The Vietnam War continued four years after the Mai Lai massacre photos were released. So please,what was your point again?

      All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Thomas Jefferson

      by amazinggrace on Thu May 28, 2009 at 02:25:49 PM PDT

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      •  ok..if you must...a point by point refutation (1+ / 0-)
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        Did not stop the genocidal methods used against the Native American.

        not stopped, no mass publishing mechanism at the time and actually it never stopped.  However, I said many of these atrocities, not all.

        did not stop the savage treatment of Africans during slavery.

        The record shows books such as Uncle Tom's Cabin, as well as writings of abolitionists, had a profound impact of changing public opinion in non-slave states, and some have said Uncle Tom's Cabin was a catalyst for the ultimate conflict that helped end slavery.

        Did not stop lynching & Jim Crow policies post civil war.

        It was not until pictures of people being hosed, dogs attacking citizens, and massive non-violent protest broadcast across the land did major civil rights changes and policies of the Jim Crow era were overturned by the Civil Rights act of 1964.

        Did not stop Japanese Americans from interment camps.

        Pictures and video of internment camps played a role in determining and generating public support for reparations.

        Did not stop within a reasonable time frame, the carnage in Vietnam.

        Photos such as the boy being shot in the head and Walter Cronkite declaring the war is lost on video were part and parcel to moving public opinion towards ending the war.

        Did not stop torture post Abu Ghraib.

        100% false.  It was not until the photos of Abu Ghraib were released that the Bybee memos were overturned and official policies allowing torture were withdrawn.  This is all part of the public record.

        Did not prevent the re-election of George W. Bush.

        You got me there and I think we both are pissed about that.  BUT, pictures of Abu Ghraib and Katrina were critical to the election of a Democratic Congress and Senate in 2006 and a Democratic President in 2008.

        So no, none of these things stopped on a dime.  But direct correlations can be made to the impact of mass communication including photographs and video on causing public opinion to turn enough to give politicians the political cover to make decisions they likely would not have made if public opinion differed.

        If your argument is that release of the pictures will not stop all war crimes forever immediately after their release, well I will give you that strawman argument.  But fortunately, no one here has argued that.

        (I am assuming that you don't need citation for all of these, but let me know if you do.)

        "Rules must be binding. Violations must be punished. Words must mean something." - President Barack Obama, April 5, 2009

        by justmy2 on Thu May 28, 2009 at 02:51:49 PM PDT

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