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  •  I know Obama has a lot on his plate (1+ / 0-)
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    jessical

    but surely there is room to help these people.  If I had to choose, I'd forego the ability for gays to get married and help some of these gays just to live.  Now before all the gay marriage proponents started HRing me, let me just say this.  In a perfect world, we wouldn't have to choose.  But we live in a world where these horrific things are happening and I believe it's more important to help them escape and to bring pressure on the Iraqi government to act to stop the killings.  I do support the right of gays to marry but I think the right to live is a more important one.  

    •  It's not either or (6+ / 0-)

      The immigration issue is easily addressable through I believe trying to push for it as a diplomatic effort. Not just for gays by the way,b ut for other human rights abuses abroad.

      •  I know it's not either or (1+ / 0-)
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        jessical

        and of course, it shouldn't be.  I was just trying to put it into perspective.  Although I support gay marriage, it really isn't that high on my priority list of issues.  Speaking as an unemployed bisexual man, right now I'd really rather have a job than a spouse. Although, maybe a spouse with a job...?  

        •  there never is a good time to do the right thing (4+ / 0-)

          my point is trying to frame it as you do is a mistake. This is not either or.  You do not have to choose between the eocomy and civil rights. We should address this issus abroad using the tools we have because its the right things to do and its doable not as an excuse not to do other things.

          •  Perhaps you are mistaking my actual point (1+ / 0-)
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            sboucher

            I agree with everything you have said in both your comments.  However, I guess where I'm trying to make the distinction is how loud we are on each issue.  Both are important, both can be done, both are the right thing to do.  But I'm hearing much more on gay marriage than I am on helping to protect persecuted gays, not only in Iraq but elsewhere in the world.  It feels a little hypocritical to me to be shouting loudly for the right to marry in America when the very right to exist in those other places is in question and is not being as supported vocally.  

    •  the unfortunate reality (5+ / 0-)
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      oysterface, bruh1, TiaRachel, capelza, soms

      is that any intervention by the US on behalf of gays in Iraq would be ammunition for even more anti-American sentiment and would likely endanger gay Iraqis even more.

      The larger picture, as Marcion notes, is that the US has made an alliance with extremist religious parties in Iraq who have secured their power in large part by destroying secular and leftist elements (labor unions, women's groups, minority groups like Christians and Yazidis).

      At this point, the most we can do to help persecuted minorities in Iraq, whether gay, Christian, Yazidi, or Sunni, is to pressure our government to accept more Iraqi refugees and to provide aid to the millions of refugees in Jordan and Syria.

      We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians. --Nelson Mandela, Pretoria December 4th 1997

      by sortalikenathan on Thu May 28, 2009 at 03:36:14 PM PDT

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