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  •  What if someone had a highly virulent (1+ / 0-)
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    strain of TB and knew it.  Then they went on a crowded airplane (sound familiar?).

    Should this individual spend decades in prison?

    "Most fools don't understand my worldview." - Ignatius J. Reilly

    by impygirl on Sat May 30, 2009 at 12:37:20 PM PDT

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    •  unklike HIV, Tb is contagious (10+ / 0-)

      and can be easily transmitted in an area such as an airplane.

      such a person with a very contagious case of Tb would and should be quarantined.  and treated.  and once treated and cured, released.

      hiv is not at all like Tb -- not in route of transmission, not in treatment (as in treatable, etc.)  -- hiv requires a lot more intimate of contact -- it is blood-borne pathogen, not air-borne like Tb.

      we do well to not conflate different diseases for the sake of trying to make a very complex situation more easily grasped.

      reckless endangerment laws exist in all 50 states -- some states have specific hiv laws too regarding knowingly/intentionally infecting another person.

      this man put these women at undue and unnecessary risk, risk they did not consent to.


      Don't confuse them with facts. They have stereotypes on their side. (rserven)

      by dadanation on Sat May 30, 2009 at 12:46:52 PM PDT

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      •  I was making an an argument that (3+ / 0-)
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        knowingly endangering people can come look quite different in public health.

        HIV is not automatically transmitted just by intercourse.  If I (as a woman) had HIV and had unprotected sex, I could go many years probably without transmitting the virus.  Even if I was a man and was having consensual vaginal sex it is more likely than not that I would NOT transmit the virus to my partner.  

        Everyone who has unprotected sex is putting themselves at risk:  of HIV, hepatitis C, herpes, genital warts and more.

        "Most fools don't understand my worldview." - Ignatius J. Reilly

        by impygirl on Sat May 30, 2009 at 12:58:37 PM PDT

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        •  public health can quarantine Tb patients (10+ / 0-)

          we do not -- and rightly so -- quarantine hiv+ individuals.

          yes, reckless endangerment looks different across diseases (in this case).

          and yes, hiv is not transmitted 100% of the time to 100*% of those exposed.  efficacious load, whether or not there are other factors that could amplify risk acquisition (such as an STD, etc ) all play into the likelihood of infection, as does the clade of the virus etc.

          having unprotected sex is not a crime.
          putting someone at risk for a fatal disease -- and not telling them that you have hiv -- is a crime.

          i am hiv+ and i would never, could never knowingly have sex with anyone and NOT tell them about my status -- not to mention put them at risk for becoming hiv infected.

          it is unconscionable that someone could knowingly put another human at risk for a life-threatening disease and do so and not tell them.

          the criminal act is and was by the infected person who did not inform his partners.

          since the onset of the epidemic, we have fought the stigma associated with such reckless and cruel behavior as was exhibited by this man.  


          Don't confuse them with facts. They have stereotypes on their side. (rserven)

          by dadanation on Sat May 30, 2009 at 01:08:33 PM PDT

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        •  That's all true...but (0+ / 0-)

          The male to female HIV transmission is much higher.   There is a substantial and high probability of transmitting a disease for which no cure exists and can still be deadly if not treated properly.   What this guy was doing was simply criminal.  

    •  There is a difference (0+ / 0-)

      #1 TB is not really deadly these days.  HIV can still be.  
      #2 What you describe only happened once.  It is not a common thing.

      I think that guy deserved his conviction because he did not disclose he had HIV.  He could have still had sex with condoms, but he showed total disregard for others.  

      •  TB is still plenty deadly (0+ / 0-)

        if not treated promptly and completely.  Just because medicine has identified better treatments doesn't mean that the disease has stopped learning how better to do its dirty work.

        If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in the dark with a mosquito.

        by marykk on Sat May 30, 2009 at 08:02:06 PM PDT

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