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  •  It's not enough to recognize the mere shitstorm (0+ / 0-)

    that's chewing up the country and setting the stage for future generations in the climate, economy, war and peace, etc.

    You also have to recognize that the two sets of rights that you've identified as the sum total of the freedom yet to be achieved--marriage rights and rights to serve in the military--are particularly unfriendly to a democratic president.  

    If you remember the race civil rights, the work was sidetracked by issues of federalism, or states rights.  The fact that the federal government forced laws nationwide was considered an affront to local autonomy.  A distraction, to be sure, but an effective one.  Any work done by Obama on the marriage front is going to be resisted on two grounds, one that gay marriage is wrong, two that it's not the province of the president and federal government to get involved in a state matters of family.  A focus on him is misplaced.

    As a democratic president, he has to tread gingerly around all national security issues and treatment of the military.  I don't think this needs any great explanation.  Democrats don't have huge resevoirs of cred with the country on the military or national security issues, and despite attemtps to framing as a civil rights issue, it's not just employment discrimination cases.  

    The last time Obama announced a plan unilaterally was the closing of Gitmo, which was rejected, what, 93-6 in the funding process by the Senate and handed the republicans a political talking point.  I suspect a unilateral action by Obama to thwart the will of Congress with regard to DADT would do even worse.It's not going to come with speeches and strokes of pens.  It's more like North Korea negotiations for DADT.

    Anyway, I can't tell you how to personally weigh what's important, but it seems that you are underestimating the peril and effort in these remaining issues for Obama, and indeed, all democrats.

    You're better off reading Josh Marshall in the first place.

    by Inland on Sat May 30, 2009 at 02:18:18 PM PDT

    •  And, bullshit (10+ / 0-)

      Just this past week, Gallup found that 69% of Americans favor allowing openly gay people to serve in the military (scroll down about three-fourths of the way to the bottom). In July 2008, a WaPo/ABC News poll found 75% support.

      In the 110th Congress, there were 149 co-sponsors for the Military Readiness Enhancement Act (MREA). Reintroduced in the current Congress by Ellen Tauscher, the bill now has 150 co-sponsors.

      The American people get that DADT is a stupid policy. So do more than one-quarter of the members of the House of Representatives. So why is it that people like you are still spouting this "we have to go slowly" bullshit, as if this were still 1993?

      •  So why hasn't it passed? Or come out of committee (1+ / 0-)
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        Getting rid of DADT is popular among voters and congress, yet, it needs Obama before it even gets out of committee?  And it needs Obama to do an end run around Congress and refuse to enforce the law?

        Something isn't computing, and I think that I've pretty much called it right.  You and I both know that Congress is in no hurry to get rid of DADT, and that Obama has to do something to make it happen.  That's why you've put the demand on him.

        You're better off reading Josh Marshall in the first place.

        by Inland on Sat May 30, 2009 at 02:59:43 PM PDT

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        •  Gee, perhaps because Congress has been (2+ / 0-)
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          trying to fix the economy and deal with the fact that it's practically June and we still don't have any of the 13 appropriations bills for the 2010 budget written with only one quarter remaining in the federal fiscal year? Not to mention the fact that Congress hasn't exactly been working hard on much of anything.

          But, unlike the president, they have at least done something.

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