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  •  Planned Parenthoods job just got easier (5+ / 0-)

    In my opinion.  The opponents of pro-choice now look even more radicalized and Dr. Tiller just became a martyr.  Hopefully, more pressure can be brought to bear to put resources into infiltrating and disrupting these domestic terrorist groups.

    •  Exactly, I think everyone needs to allow (1+ / 0-)
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      the facts to come out before jumping to all of these conclusions.  The only thing we know so far is that a person was shot in church and that he performed abortions.

      If the majority of the people on this site are right and it was a lunatic, then he just made Planned Parenthoods job all the much easier.  

    •  Arguable. (2+ / 0-)
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      The threat is to a very limited number of people on the front lines of service provision who can protect themselves completely by removing themselves from the line of fire. That is why Dr Tiller and his staff must be regarded as true heroes.

      It is unlikely that the malefactor here was a member of any domestic terrorist group; eyewitnesses said they had seen him before in the company of the nominally non-terrorist OR people. And he didn't commit his crime in the vicinity of the clinic, so improving security there would have had no good effect.

      Nice try, but I'm going with wiscmass on this one. It's made PP and NARAL's job harder.

      Ignorance isn't exactly bliss but some things are better known when they are unknown to start with and pieced together on the way. - WineRev

      by Clem Yeobright on Sun May 31, 2009 at 02:53:26 PM PDT

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      •  Well, I have to agree that it is harder (1+ / 0-)
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        to provide women's health services when under threat of violence, lawlessness and murder.

        I disagree, however, that OR is not a terrorist organization.  Especially if the perpetrator is affiliated with them, it will be clear that they are.  They may nominally disavow violence, but their rhetoric and tactics create the climate for these murders.  If this happened for some cause on the left, the right wing would not hesitate to label the group a terrorist organization.

        Civil marriage is a civil right.

        by UU VIEW on Sun May 31, 2009 at 03:29:52 PM PDT

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    •  security & terrorism (1+ / 0-)
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      Government is taking this seriously at all levels, as a result of the increase in threats against then-candidate Obama.  The Missouri state police released a document discussing right-wing terrorism, and a couple of weeks later, DHS wrote another one that got leaked to the press.  These two datapoints taken together point to the tip of an iceberg:  that law enforcement is truly serious about dealing with this.  

      In addition, there are liaisons between government, universities, and private entities that are engaged in various forms of research to provide useful information and new tools for use toward these goals.  

      What we will see as a result, is that right wing terrorist activity will be prevented, suspects will be caught, and cases will be brought to trial.  

      In some instances, where groups are involved, such as the group that was trying to plant bombs around a Jewish house of worship in New York, it will be possible to stop them before anyone is harmed.  Lone-wolf actors are more difficult to prevent but will be caught and tried, and the groups that give them material support will be prosecuted as well.  

      Unlike during the Bush Regime, there won't be a lot of hype around this stuff: it will just happen as a routine part of law enforcement activity, which is how it should be.  

      Our role in this as citizens, is "neighborhood watch."  Keep our eyes & ears open, and if we run across anything that appears to be a serious threat or plan for violent action, call it in and let law enforcement pick up the investigation from there.  Those who can, may be able to volunteer to provide security support to clinics, doctors, and others who may face threats: all it takes is the willingness to sit & watch, with phone and camera in hand.  Many local police departments offer neighborhood watch training, and that's a good place to start to learn the relevant skills.

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