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  •  With friends like these: (1+ / 0-)
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    Late term abortions are some of the most troubling and controversial procedures performed anywhere by doctors.  It is extremely difficult to deny that taking a late term fetus is taking a human life.  But had the anti-abortion crowd allowed just a few common sense regulations, the practice would be illegal in every state.  However, right wing terrorists are seldom reasonable.  It was all or nothing, no exception for the life and health of the mother and no concessions allowed for the victims of rape.  
    Dr. George Tiller was the poster boy for late term abortions, and he just recently escaped conviction from a prosecution began by then Kansas Attorney General Phil Klien.  This zealot Klein’s obsession to convict, led to the acquittal of Dr. Tiller.  Was Dr. George Tiller, a role model for Planned Parenthood?  I think not.  But now; thanks to the radical actions of a right wing idiot, he will be remembered as a martyr, with a story more powerful in death than in life.
    Until we learn that our most dangerous enemies are the right wing terrorist among us rather than some mysterious Muslim we are a more vulnerable nation.

    •  Someone once asked if I was afriad of Russians. (1+ / 0-)
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      Obviously this was before the end of the Cold War.  I replied that since we probably have one of the highest crime rates in the world, I was definitely more afraid of some of my fellow citizens, especially the ones with guns.  I had gone through an experience of someone bringing a shotgun to my college campus and shooting up my classroom.  It was a miracle that nobody was killed.

    •  Lay off the Kool-Aid before posting (9+ / 0-)

      In 99.99....% of all known cases, late term abortion is NECESSARY for the health or even the survival of the mother. Or do you consider an anencephalic fetus, or some even more grotesque teratology, a "human" life? A thing that has NO - ZERO - chance of survival for more than a handful of agonized minutes or hours or days?

      Until you have done some medical research and have some idea of how unspeakably horribly a pregnancy can go wrong, please keep your conscience to yourself.

      I don't suppose even you would have any moral objections to the removal of a dead fetus, since that is no longer a "human life". At least I hope not. But you need to realize that there are much worse things than that.

      Change WHO can believe in?

      by TheOtherMaven on Sun May 31, 2009 at 01:47:14 PM PDT

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      •  Of course they would object. And they would argu (2+ / 0-)
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        e 1) 'God' made the anencephlic that way, who are we to second-guess is 'purpose', and 2) the 'slippery slope', i.e., anencephalics today, Down's tomorrow, sex, eye-color or other silly reason 'The Day After', oh and infanticide can't be far behind!

        Logical?  Of course not.  This is faith.  There is no logic allowed.  All must bow to the Will of the Great Maker, er, Leader, er, Seig Heil!  (Yeah, that's right, prove they aren't the same.) And, of course, we poor human beings simply can not make these gross distinctions between right and wrong - especially mothers, who are all spawns of the Devil cause of Eve's betrayal! - and basing it on science?  Pul-ease, next you'll be saying evolution isn't Satanic lie.  You... Witch!  Burn him!

        But, of course, we can not tell these simple truths.  That might offend some of the crazies and their 'mainstream' enablers.

        •  Any "God" that would do that - (0+ / 0-)

          That would intentionally create, or allow the creation of, a "doomed to die in agony" fetus -

          is not a god worthy of worship.

          Change WHO can believe in?

          by TheOtherMaven on Sun May 31, 2009 at 05:41:32 PM PDT

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          •  Well, there is a diff b/t 'allow' and 'intentiona (0+ / 0-)

            lly'.  After all, free will 'allows' all sorts of heinous acts by people.  

            But, I agree as to 'intentionally', and add: nor is any God that gives us these enormous brains and the power to find the means to prevent such terrible suffering - albeit imperfect and a gut-wrenching tho it is - but then condemn us - or approving of his 'followers' assassinating us - for using the means he had given us.

            IMO it is because the vision and wisdom given us is so incomplete, the tools so imperfect, yet the need to act so demanding and perfectly humane, that abortion is - and must remain - a decision made by the one person so intimately involved and responsible - the mother - and her doctor.

      •  So you would have no problem with the restriction (0+ / 0-)

        If 99% are to save the the life of the mother, then you have no problem with a legal restriction?

        In 1987, the Alan Guttmacher Institute collected questionnaires from 1,900 women in the United States who came to clinics to have abortions. Of the 1,900 questioned, 420 had been pregnant for 16 or more weeks. These 420 women were asked to choose among a list of reasons they had not obtained the abortions earlier in their pregnancies. The results were as follows:[3]

        71% Woman didn't recognize she was pregnant or misjudged gestation
        48% Woman found it hard to make arrangements for abortion
        33% Woman was afraid to tell her partner or parents
        24% Woman took time to decide to have an abortion
        8% Woman waited for her relationship to change
        8% Someone pressured woman not to have abortion
        6% Something changed after woman became pregnant
        6% Woman didn't know timing is important
        5% Woman didn't know she could get an abortion
        2% A fetal problem was diagnosed late in pregnancy
        11% Other

        •  I think we're using different definitions (0+ / 0-)

          of "late term". I was thinking THIRD trimester, which is just about never done if there are not critical health issues involved.

          Change WHO can believe in?

          by TheOtherMaven on Sun May 31, 2009 at 08:41:37 PM PDT

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