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  •  Lebanon is a democracy... (9+ / 0-)

    I'm not sure what world you live in.

    That is all. Individually, I wish you the best, but collectively, my dearest hope is to outlive you - groovetronica

    by Nulwee on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 10:11:26 PM PDT

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    •  sorry, but not according to (2+ / 0-)
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      Freedom House.

      Lebanon is not an electoral democracy. Electoral districts are blatantly gerrymandered to ensure the reelection of incumbents; the 2005 parliamentary elections were judged to be generally free and fair, but vote buying was reported to be rampant. The National Commission on Parliamentary Electoral Law Reform in 2006 presented Prime Minister Fouad Siniora with draft electoral legislation that would overhaul the voting system and introduce proportional representation for parliamentary elections. However, the proposal has made little progress due to the ongoing political stalemate and the desire of existing political elites to safeguard their positions.

      •  Cause Freedom House doesn't have an ideological (5+ / 0-)

        bias, even ignoring the issue of Israel.

        That is all. Individually, I wish you the best, but collectively, my dearest hope is to outlive you - groovetronica

        by Nulwee on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 10:16:10 PM PDT

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        •  BTW That Description (5+ / 0-)

          would seem to have stopped the U.S. from being an electoral democracy from 1865 to about the 1930s, since vote buying, political machines and other means for oligarchy were rampant.

          That is all. Individually, I wish you the best, but collectively, my dearest hope is to outlive you - groovetronica

          by Nulwee on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 10:17:24 PM PDT

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          •  so who else was (0+ / 0-)

            in the 1860's a full democracy like we and the West are today? I'm pretty sure we weren't the only ones to have a highly discriminatory and even more corrupt democracy back 150 years ago. We weren't the only country which didn't allow women or people of color to vote.

            •  Huh? (3+ / 0-)
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              you're quoting people who may be implying the U.S. wasn't a democracy for half of its history. I reject its assumptions about the unearthly, heavenly goodness of democracies for the reality of American and world history.

              That is all. Individually, I wish you the best, but collectively, my dearest hope is to outlive you - groovetronica

              by Nulwee on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 10:29:26 PM PDT

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        •  How about The Economists' (2+ / 0-)
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          Democracy Index in which Lebanon is a "hybrid regime," not even a democracy or "flawed democracy."

          Sorry, but you will find far and few between which find Lebanon, in part now run by Hezbollah, to be a democracy.

          •  Because You're Conflating Democracy With (7+ / 0-)

            freedom. Many ancient democracies were not free.

            And btw, the Economist may seem less partial and biased to Americans, but it is quite the conservative standard-bearer in Europe. It even considers Singapore to be a "hybrid regime"... again the classic inference that a regime isn't democratic a la Bush. Singapore is authoritarian but Lebanon is ruled by coalitions, which have Muslims and Christians on both sides. Rafik Hariri was also a businessman, not a military dictator.

            That is all. Individually, I wish you the best, but collectively, my dearest hope is to outlive you - groovetronica

            by Nulwee on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 10:26:49 PM PDT

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        •  Freedom House? BAH HAH HAH BAH HAH HAH! (12+ / 0-)

          While touting itself as having a "bipartisan character," Freedom House is often associated with hawkish and neoconservative factions within both major U.S. parties, a fact made clear by many of its current and past supporters and board members, which have included former CIA Director James Woolsey, ex-Reagan administration official Kenneth Adelman, the late UN Amb. Jeane Kirkpatrick, and former member of the Committee on the Present Danger, Max Kampelman. Other board members have included the conservative Rolling Stone writer P.J. O'Rourke; Samuel Huntington, a Harvard professor who says the post-Cold War period will be dominated by a "clash of civilizations" between the Muslim and Christian worlds; Ruth Wedgwood, a right-leaning human rights lawyer; and Arthur Waldron, a longtime foreign policy hawk who has been a leading advocate for a hardline China policy. Many of these individuals have also supported the work of a number of other conservative organizations, including the Project for the New American Century, the Center for Security Policy, and the American Enterprise Institute.

          Right Web

          nor can we consume the world's resources without regard to effect. For the world has changed, and we must change with it. - Barack Obama

          by Lefty Coaster on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 10:45:56 PM PDT

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    •  So was the Soviet Union..... (3+ / 0-)

      ....technically.  For that matter so is China.  Again, technically.

      Having a vote doesn't necessarily mean that you're a democracy.  That vote has to actually mean something.

      •  Oh Ok (2+ / 0-)
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        so downthread of a quote by  bogus organization which even admits Singapore and Lebanon have free and open elections, you want to claim Lebanese voting is the same as one-party, Soviet elections? Yeah, bub.

        That is all. Individually, I wish you the best, but collectively, my dearest hope is to outlive you - groovetronica

        by Nulwee on Tue Jun 02, 2009 at 12:10:41 AM PDT

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        •  If you'll get shot.... (0+ / 0-)

          ...for voting for the wrong party?  The elections aren't free.

          Singapore is a police state, by the way.  A very nice, clean, polite one.... but a police state nevertheless.  Not so sure you want to be shackling yourself to that example....  just sayin.

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