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  •  Yeah, there's a wait time... (2+ / 0-)
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    mataliandy, Karen Wehrstein

    ...if you simply must get your tennis elbow massaged before hopping on your private jet to Aspen.

    Never experienced a wait time any longer than a U.S. insurance company approval/fighting took while I've been in Canada, and I've been here 12 years.

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    by Swampfoot on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 10:07:17 AM PDT

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    •  That study surveyed adults with the chronic (0+ / 0-)

      conditions of hypertension, heart disease, arthritis, lung problems, depression and cancer.  42% of these people had to wait over two months to get an appointment with a specialist - significantly higher than any other country surveyed.  

      These are not tennis elbow massages, they are serious health issues, and Canadians appear to wait longer than other countries.

      •  I think there's a lot of BS in that study. (2+ / 0-)
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        But I have to ask.  What's the difference between waiting a little while (I have personally never had to wait) and not being seen because you can't afford it?  That's apples and oranges.

        Some Canadians  bitch a lot about the health care system but that's often because they think they should have ER medicine -- you know like on the TV show.  Things often take more than 1 hour to work in the real world. I know this from talking to sick and well Canadians on a hour by hour daily basis.  Waiting is only an issue in  a few cases, and it usually depends on where you live.

        •  I just took a look at it myself (1+ / 0-)
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          albeit it a quick one and while it doesn't seem to have come out of anything like the Fraser Institute, there are things wrong with it that are easy to spot right off.

          For instance, there's a table called "overall view of the health system" and percentages for whether these respondents (all of whom have chronic illnesses) feel their system needs "only minor changes," "fundamental changes" or "rebuild completely."  And more Canadians than Americans are shown as choosing "fundamental changes," (though about half as many voted for "rebuild completely.")

          But what does that mean?  We don't even know whether the respondents were thinking of the health funding system, or their interactions with doctors, or whether they think there are enough MRI machines, or all of the above, or what.  I am going to guess from what I've seen in my two diaries and elsewhere on DKos that what Americans consider "fundamental changes" and what Canadians and other UHC-provided people do are two very different things.  That's not taken into account at all and thus it's pretty useless as a question, scientifically, imo.

          And, in support of your point, the wait times question doesn't take into account people who just don't go because they can't afford it.

          There is another question about that, and I probably don't need to tell you that Canada rates WAY ahead of the USA.

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