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  •  Very important points (8+ / 0-)

    Thanks for the post.  

    P.S. put up a tip jar.

    •  And those are? (14+ / 0-)

      Show me one, please...

      This is an idiot diary, written by someone who hasn't got a clue how manufacturing or I'd say business liability works.

      There is nothing in this diary worth applauding.

      •  What's more... (2+ / 0-)
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        JeffW, chrome327

        the alarmism of the diary encourages action detrimental to the marketplace of these cars.

        I've heard tales of how real estate speculators were able to use racist dog-whistles to destroy neighborhoods. They would tell people that blacks are moving into the neighborhood, so your homes have already lost value, & will lose even more. We can offer you X (where X=less than the real value of the property but more than you now fear it will be worth if you wait another day to sell).

        Many folks bit. White flight ensued.

        Better Beware! Sell it Now!

        If everyone put their GM/Chrysler on the market as the diarist suggests, their values would plumet. Even if just Kossacks took up the call, they'd deflate the market.

        I do have a slight disagreement with your final comment, Dcoronata. Diarist mentions for half a sentence that we can get congress to do something about successor liability. But it is such a minor part of the post that it deserves no more than the sound of one hand clapping.

        "...mockery isn't just the most effective but also the most morally apt response to (Dick Cheney)"- Josh Marshall

        by SilentBrook on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 10:21:29 AM PDT

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      •  I have a 98 Chrysler T&C and I can assure you the (1+ / 0-)
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        diarist is correct. There are many flaws in its design, and if I could unload it, I would.

        If something happens to me, I have no recourse according to the terms of the bankruptcy.

        It does not require you to apply the brakes to remove it from park. There is, by law, supposed to be a switch in the brake pedal that keeps you from putting the car in gear without applying brakes. This is a known issue. No recall.

        It regularly stalls while driving, at any speed. Causing loss of power steering and it's nearly impossible to control it. Mechanic can't figure it out. This is a known issue. No recall.

        There was the problem with the faulty air bags. This is a known issue. Recalled

        Fuel leaking due to a faulty o-ring, causing engine fires. This is a known issue. Recalled.

        There is a problem with wiring causing fires when the vehicle isn't even turned on. Just sitting in the driveway. Has caused house fires due to catching fire while in the garage in the middle of the night.  This is a known issue. No recall.

        The serpentine belts slip off while driving in the rain. A known defect that causes loss of power steering, damage to the engine. This is a known issue. No recall.

        These are just a few of the known issues with just the T&C alone.

        If you go to the NHTSA site, you'll see hundreds of these claims.

        I think all the shitty comments in this diary are misplaced. The diarist provided legitimate links for proof.

        Beware the lollipop of mediocrity: lick it once and suck forever.

        by second gen on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 11:02:16 AM PDT

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        •  Hello, 1998 (2+ / 0-)
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          What, you think they'll last forever? Did you mean 2008, in which lemon laws would permit redress.  Just wait until AFTER they come out of bankruptcy.

          Does the serpentine really slip off?  That's supposed to be balanced by a pulley tensioner; now that too can fail, but slip off is rather amazing.

          •  Seriously? You think 1998 is all that old? (0+ / 0-)

            Regardless, none of these problems are because the vehicle is older. They are ALL problems that happen to the vehicle at any time in the life of the vehicle.  THEY'RE MANUFACTURING DEFECTS and have nothing to do with age. I have seen reports of 2007's and 2008's with the same issues.

            Yes, the serpentine REALLY slips off. It's a Dodge/Chrysler issue. The same thing happens with my daughters bf's Dodge truck.

            Engine belt misalignment

            I went to work and I check through All-Data's technical service bulletins related to Chrysler serpentine belt problems. Wow there is a ton of TSB's on the Chrysler 3.3 Liter and 3.8 Liter engines for the model years 1996 through 99.

            After reading through the bulletins, I was left with the impression that I am glad I bought a Chevrolet. I don't have time to go through all of the bulletins, because this would be as thick as a phone book so I will stay on track and just discuss the Chrysler serpentine belt problem.

            One design defect of the engine compartment is that the underside is completely open and allows water and snow to be thrown up inside and over the engine drive belt. The small splash shield underneath does not divert the water properly. But a new belly pan is not part of the technical service bulletin.

            Chrysler's solution is the replacement of the idler pulley and the pulleys retaining bracket. Chrysler's engineers have decided that the idler pulley is misaligned by .08 inches. This is why I could not see the misalignment with my naked eye. An updated engine bracket and pulley assembly is available at your local Chrysler parts department.

            I've had it done. And it's not something that Chrysler pays for. They just were nice enough to let us know how they fucked up the manufacturing so you know what to do. Except, this solution doesn't work. So, so much for them telling us how to fix it, at our expense.

            But, I guess I'm lying, based on your disbelief that what I'm telling is true.  I have personally become adept at replacing the belt on the side of the road, having done it 4 times now.  The first time was a bear. Once I learned how it works, and have proper tools in my van, it only takes a minute.  So far, I've been lucky enough not to have a ruined engine from it. Some, not so much. It's only become slightly more difficult after having all pulleys replaced.

            Beware the lollipop of mediocrity: lick it once and suck forever.

            by second gen on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 11:44:25 AM PDT

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            •  Most cars warranties are 3-7 year range (2+ / 0-)
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              BlackSheep1, rockhound

              and hell yes, 11 years old is significantly longer than the median.  How many miles is also really important; and the type of driving, and loads make a difference.

              There's a reason why nobody gives warranties that are that long, and that's because at that time many cars start to have really significant problems.

              Check to see if the pulley is properly adjusted, and if there is a tensioner (sometimes called a pretensioner) which should help keep it in place.  That might need replacement.  You might need new motor mounts, which would put seriously added strain on the belts should the engine vibrate excessively.

              •  are you having a fucking problem with (0+ / 1-)
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                BlackSheep1

                reading comprehension? THIS IS A DESIGN FLAW. IT HAPPENS ON NEW FUCKING VEHICLES. EVEN 2008s.

                geezus.

                Beware the lollipop of mediocrity: lick it once and suck forever.

                by second gen on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 12:00:44 PM PDT

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                •  No (0+ / 0-)

                  A design flaw on a vehicle from one year does not in any way shape or form suggest that the same will transfer to a different year.

                  Is your engine the same as the 2008?  

                  Now I could be an impolite person and tell you to go fuck yourself with a two-by-four, preferably a splintered one but that wouldn't be useful.  It might help in the long run, but that wouldn't help the problem at hand.

                  If this problem happens on a fraction of a percent of the vehicles in service then it should be considered the norm, rather than a serious problem.  Not everything works- cars are astonishingly complex and hardy devices most of the time; it is possible that an engine might fire a spark plug a billion times in its life.  Anyone with a vehicle as old as yours should be expected to have to deal with problems, even if they have similarly occurred with other vehicles of a different year and model.  There's a reason why the bulk of vehicles don't survive into their teens.

                  So kindly get a fucking clue, and appreciate that you have to spend some money on maintenance when they go past their original warranty period.  Stop trying to blame them for your being cheap.

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