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  •  Bayh (none)
    This will be a good chance for Bayh to raise his profile among the Democratic base.  Some activism here will go a long way if he wants the Dem nomination in '08.

    Fight the American Taliban

    by pontificator on Mon Nov 15, 2004 at 08:16:35 PM PST

    •  Some activism here.... (none)
      .....may mean we'll have an election in 2008.

      And, I very much think you are among those who realize just how serious the situation is so please excuse my terseness.

      "It's about America" [on life support and in need of immediate, sustained heroic treatment]

    •  Bayh...Ugh (none)
      As a Hoosier, I know that Bayh will not to the right thing in this case. He never does the right thing and would be a terrible nominee in 2008.

      He doesn't care about activism. He only cares about power.

      I am a hard-core Democrat and coulnd't bring myself to vote for Bayh this year. His GOP-lite self made me vote for the Libertarian candidate for Senate.

      He voted for the war, the tax cuts and the hate ammendment.

      If Bayh runs in 2008, he will be the Lieberman of that election cycle.

      He will do nothing to stand up for voters...he's too much of a coward.

      •  agree (none)
        from everything i've seen, Bayh is unimpressive.

        Aside from the fact that he keeps winning in heavily Republican Indiana.

        But he is Republican-lite, all the way.

      •  Place holder (none)
        I am actually okay with a republican-lite candidate being our nominee in 2008.  In fact, I think it may be a necessity to win.

        For the past 20 years, the Republicans have tarnished the words liberal and democrat.  It is going to take years to reclaim these words and to educate people what this party stands for.  I don't think we can achieve it in just 4 years, that is why I am okay with a placeholder.  In the meantime, we continue to promote the true ideals of the democratic party and supporting liberal/progressive candidates at the local, state and congressional level.  By the time 2012 rolls around, we will have laid the ground for a truly progressive candidate to win the presidency and everything else!

        •  It doesn't matter (none)
          It doesn't matter who we run in '08, the GOP will call them a liberal Democrat.  We could send out a Lieberman-Bayh ticket and they would tar them as far on the 'left bank'.  It should be clear now that they believe in one-party goverment, and if you're not with the party, you're outside the mainstream.

          "Well... you could always hang yourself!"

          by Jugwine on Tue Nov 16, 2004 at 06:58:24 AM PST

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      •  well (none)
        Bayh does get 60% from the ACLU, so he seems to be more on this side than on the other one.  Not 100%, sure, but take a look at the ratings of your average Republican, and they're quite a bit lower than 60%.
      •  Bayh did NOT vote for FMA! (none)
        Bayh voted against the Hate Amendment. We should remember this and thank him, because he may vote for it in the next Congress. We have to stop him if we can. I don't like the man, but please don't harangue him for something he didn't do.
        •  You know, though, (none)
          I wrote him about this and, being a constituent, apparently got the FMA form letter in return. My letter to him cited a handful of gay people I know (not by name!) and how they live their lives just as we all do, going to work, sometimes raising kids, dealing with house issues, etc. One example was a close relative. The form letter I received was full of wishy-washy language like "an amendment should be a last resort" and "I agree with my senate colleagues, we can deal with this in other ways" and "it's not yet time" blah blah blah. In no way did I feel like he was standing on any kind of principle here, much less defending the American value of equality.

          So, no, he didn't vote for it, but he certainly isn't any kind of Dem I feel like I can get behind. (And he was conspicuously absent on my sticker-bedecked car this election.)

          Don't be afraid to log off.

          by Debby on Tue Nov 16, 2004 at 11:14:18 PM PST

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      •  Ditto (none)
        Re; not voting for Bayh; I did the same. In fact, I've never voted for Bayh, not even when he ran for Sec. State.

        Every year, more & more dems are disenchanted with him which is why his high margin of votes in this past election is so ironic. Many of them were not endorsements, just votes.

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